alaska channing III?

alaska channing III?

PostBy: wally61 On: Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:55 am

Purchased an alaska channing III stove last november and was wondering what and if these thermo's work with this stove. You have a few listed on web site and am wondering what one i need to do a good job. Your web site says 11% savings is this tru with this stove? thanx
wally61
 
Stove/Furnace Make: alaska
Stove/Furnace Model: channing III dv coal-trol

PostBy: pvolcko On: Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:11 pm

Hi Wally,

We've tested on two alaska stoves. Actually they were the first two we tested on and they've been running a Coal-Trol system in some form for the last three years. We've also had a number of customers install on alaska stoves since we started selling to the general public last year.

You can install any of the four systems we have on our web site, but for that stove I'd recommend a Basic or Basic+ system (the difference between them being the type of thermostat included in the system, which is personal preference based on your needs).

There are three possible reasons you might want the Standard or Standard+ systems:

1) You intend to get the ignition system at some future date and want to save money by getting the control module with the igniter outlet built into it. We haven't set the prices for the ignition system and the CM2 (Basic) upgrade that will be needed as of yet, but figure buying the CM1 based system (Standard/Standard+) will end up saving you in the neighborhood of $100.

2) You wish to have the coal-trol digitial thermostat be able to turn a forced air furnace fan on/off as needed. This is more typically found in coal furnace installations and would require the purchase of the Standard+ system with the optional fan control contacts. To purchase this we require the customer call us so we can make sure it is what they need.

3) You desire the additional power vent and limit switch features of the CM1 based systems. The Basic and Basic+ (CM2 based) systems work fine with power vents and direct vents, but the CM1 can eliminate some intermediate wiring and provide a cleaner looking installation. To be clear though: The Coal-Trol Basic and Basic+ systems are completely compatible with power vent and direct vent stoves. :)

Lastly, the 11% figure is based on analysis of the way a traditional on/off thermostat and the way the Coal-Trol Digital thermostat work to control the heat output of the stove. It has been backed up by customer experiences and our own testing on various types of stoves, including the Alaska models. The claim is independent of the particular stove since it is based on the control methods and algorithms we use.

Hope that helps. If you have any more questions feel free to ask.
pvolcko
 

PostBy: wally61 On: Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:25 am

What is the difference between the basic and basic+? These are plug and play? Also you would set it just like a normal therm and it works?
wally61
 
Stove/Furnace Make: alaska
Stove/Furnace Model: channing III dv coal-trol

PostBy: Philippe23 On: Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:26 am

Looks to me like the + models have more "setpoints". The models without the +'s basically let you set a night and morning temperature. (So you can turn it down while you're at work out of the house, for example.) Where as the models with the +'s have "setpoints" per day weekday (turn it down at night a little, crank it up just before I wake up, down while I'm at work and back up just before I get home), and then a separate 4 "setpoints" for the weekends (when you're more likely to be home, and you're not going to want it to turn down while you're watching TV because it treats everyday the same).

The + models also seem to have "convection fan speed control" -- which sounds like an override to an automatic mode all the models have.


pvolcko's welcome to correct me on of those statements. I've got the same stove as you and had the same questions, so I figured I'd see if his webpages had the answers, I had noticed an ad for these Coal-trol systems in a store I went in a few weeks ago.

The all sound really nice, and would save with a lot of the fidgeting instincts I have, especially the + models. (If only these would load the hopper too! :wink:)
Philippe23
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska Channing III
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Stove/Furnace Make: Alaska
Stove/Furnace Model: Channing III

PostBy: pvolcko On: Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:43 pm

Philippe23 is right on both the setpoints and the manual fan speed control. The + models also have:

- Indefinite temperature hold. This is a setpoint override that will hold a temperature until you disable it. This is useful if you go away for a few days and just want to maintain say 60 degrees and use less fuel while no one is at the house.

- Aux fan control. Only the TS1 thermostats (the ones in the + systems) can control the auxilliary fan output on the CM1 w/Fan control module. This is needed to have the Coal-Trol be able to turn a forced air furnace's fan on and off.

Primarily, however, the TS1 thermostat has 4 weekday and 4 weekend setpoints whereas the TS2 only has 2 setpoints that apply to all days. If there are people at home during the day typically then a TS2 thermostat (the non plus systems) are probably fine for you. If the house is empty during the day then the extra setpoints of the TS1 can save you even more fuel.
pvolcko
 

PostBy: Paul On: Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:20 am

Just ordered the Basic for my Alaska stove, have been having issues with blower speed control and can't find a cheap replacement controller. This seems to be the cat's ass control, so we'll see. Will post my thoughts as soon as it arrives. Paul
Paul
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Alaska
Stove/Furnace Model: Channing {2}

PostBy: wally61 On: Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:51 pm

[quote="Paul"]Just ordered the Basic for my Alaska stove, have been having issues with blower speed control and can't find a cheap replacement controller. This seems to be the cat's ass control, so we'll see. Will post my thoughts as soon as it arrives. Paul[/quote]

let me know how it works do you have a channig?
wally61
 
Stove/Furnace Make: alaska
Stove/Furnace Model: channing III dv coal-trol

PostBy: bksaun On: Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:29 pm

Wally and paul


I have a brand new Channing III, keep me posted on the CoalTrol. My stove is ducted into my cold air return on my forced air furnace and I run my forced air blower on random. So far with the weather in the 40s and the stove set on low,( or feed rate 1) my house is staying around 72-75 degres.

I am still learning, looks like I am going to love this thing.


BK
bksaun
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Hybrid, Gentleman Janitor GJ-6RSU/ EFM 700
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 503
Coal Size/Type: Pea Stoker/Bit, Pea or Nut Anthracite
Stove/Furnace Make: Hitzer/ EFM-Gentleman Janitor
Stove/Furnace Model: 503 Insert/ 700/GJ-62

PostBy: Paul On: Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:08 pm

Yes, one Channing 3 and a KastKole in the basement. I haven't used the one in the basement in 2 years as last winter it was warm. Hope to have the controller this week [haven't seen a e-mail about shipping yet] and install it by Saturday. Maybe before if I can do it without the stove going out. Either way will let everyone know. Paul
Paul
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Alaska
Stove/Furnace Model: Channing {2}

PostBy: Paul On: Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:30 pm

Well just recieved the "unit" and went to put it to use. Seems to quite simple, just plug feed/combustion plug into the "unit". Well no power to the thermostat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Kind of tuff to set it when there is no power going to it!!!! So its back to to square one. At least I recieved a 20$ check for waiting . I may need it to send the "unit" back. And there is no mounting bracket for the thermostat, kinda tuff to mount with the cord sticking out the back, supposed to be flush mount. Will let you know when its {theunit} is operable.
Paul
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Alaska
Stove/Furnace Model: Channing {2}

PostBy: pvolcko On: Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:51 pm

Very sorry to hear that, Paul. Please make sure to call us and we'll get things straightened out on the power issue. We test the control modules and thermostats before they get shipped, but we don't test the cord connecting the two. More often than not in this kind of problem they turn out to be bad. Very rarely something will have broken during shipping.
pvolcko
 

PostBy: wally61 On: Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:43 am

thanx for the update when you get it figured out trll me what you bought and how it works.gonna get cold this weekend. should be a good test
wally61
 
Stove/Furnace Make: alaska
Stove/Furnace Model: channing III dv coal-trol

PostBy: Paul On: Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:16 pm

I recieved a call from Paul V. and it was decided that a whole new "unit" was in order. I should recieve it by Thursday or Friday and will install as soon as possible. I/we think it is more than likely a faulty "unit" to thermostat control wire, will verify that first. Its refreshing to deal with a company that follows up so quickly on apparent problems with there products. Almost unheard of now a days!@!! Thanks to Paul V. and his company, will post results soon . Paul J.
Paul
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Alaska
Stove/Furnace Model: Channing {2}

PostBy: pvolcko On: Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:17 pm

Just so you know, Paul. You were probably talking to Neil Waelder. I'm Paul V. and we didn't speak. :) Neil is the president of the company. If you know you talked to a Paul then it was Paul Waelder, Neil's brother, that you talked to.

Either way, glad we're getting your problem figured out.

Good luck and let us know how things turn out.
pvolcko
 

PostBy: Paul On: Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:46 pm

Yes Paul it was Neil. I recieved the new unit, and it appears it was the thermostat. I have it running on another feeder motor from my other stove, and seems to be running as advertised!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I tried to e-mail but your site is down. Will hook up to the running stove Friday and will call or e-mail results. Thanks again for your prompt service!! To all the other folks looking for one of these for there Alaskan stoves, I will post my results as soon as practical. Paul J.
Paul
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Alaska
Stove/Furnace Model: Channing {2}