Obama's 1st Major Mistake

Re: Obama's 1st Major Mistake

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:09 pm

Devil505 wrote:
gerard wrote:Say what you want about Regan but since other countries are NEVER going to love us, I'll settle for having them fear us


Yup...Basically the Bush Doctrine of preemptive war.........& look how well that doctrine has worked for this country.
On 11/6/2008, a majority of American voters decided that we needed a change from the failed policies of the prior administration & rejoin the rest of the world in trying to understand each other & use diplomacy instead of 500lb cluster bombs.



The policy of preemptive war worked well and it's carryover effect will work well for Obama too.

As for 11/6/08, the sheeple that are brainwashed by the left wing press went to the polls to vote for a black man in what was the most racist mass act since many of their ancestors ran around lynching blacks and burning crosses in the south.

MLK would have been angered at the attempt to install a black man just because he was black. Don't give me that crap that he was the best qualified. He was never vetted by the press because they were too racist to question him appropriately. He got softball after softball pitched slow to him on every issue and his shady past was never full investigated.

Now we have an socialist wingnut idiot in office who has brought several immoral or criminal j e r k friends of his into the cabinet without so much as a peep from the press and with only gushing accolades by congressmen at their hearings. What a sham.

Anyone who supports such an obvious snowjob process is part of the problem, not part of the solution.
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Re: Obama's 1st Major Mistake

PostBy: gerard On: Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:16 pm

mikeandgerry wrote:

The policy of preemptive war worked well and it's carryover effect will work well for Obama too.

As for 11/6/08, the sheeple that are brainwashed by the left wing press went to the polls to vote for a black man in what was the most racist mass act since many of their ancestors ran around lynching blacks and burning crosses in the south.

MLK would have been angered at the attempt to install a black man just because he was black. Don't give me that crap that he was the best qualified. He was never vetted by the press because they were too racist to question him appropriately. He got softball after softball pitched slow to him on every issue and his shady past was never full investigated.

Now we have an socialist wingnut idiot in office who has brought several immoral or criminal j e r k friends of his into the cabinet without so much as a peep from the press and with only gushing accolades by congressmen at their hearings. What a sham.

Anyone who supports such an obvious snowjob process is part of the problem, not part of the solution.


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Re: Obama's 1st Major Mistake

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:53 pm

mikeandgerry wrote:The policy of preemptive war worked well and it's carryover effect will work well for Obama too.


That is probably the most Un-American statement I have ever heard on this forum. We don't start wars of aggression like Nazis! (We fight when we or our allies are attacked)
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Re: Obama's 1st Major Mistake

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:57 pm

Devil505 wrote:
mikeandgerry wrote:The policy of preemptive war worked well and it's carryover effect will work well for Obama too.


That is probably the most Un-American statement I have ever heard on this forum. We don't start wars of aggression like Nazis! (We fight when we or our allies are attacked)


First, Thank you for acknowledging that GWB didn't start a war of aggression.

Second, what you guys don't understand is that it wasn't pre-emptive war. That's what YOU called it. It really started in the first gulf war. My mistake for falling for your subterfuge. You guys are good at it and that is what is un-American.

Third, when faced with a CBRNE situation, I would hope that pre-emptive wars aren't off the table in the Obama White House.
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Re: Obama's 1st Major Mistake

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:41 pm

mikeandgerry wrote:I would hope that pre-emptive wars aren't off the table in the Obama White House.


I would hope that you bring your ideas on this subject to Flame Central. ;) :devil:

Edit: Who exactly are "You guys" in your above post?........ "My mistake for falling for your subterfuge. You guys are good at it and that is what is un-American."
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Re: Obama's 1st Major Mistake

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:01 pm

mikeandgerry wrote:Second, what you guys don't understand is that it wasn't pre-emptive war. That's what YOU called it. It really started in the first gulf war. .


Might want to do some more reading. It goes back A LOT farther than that.
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Re: Obama's 1st Major Mistake

PostBy: KLook On: Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:40 pm

I would like to comment on our perception by the "world". I am not a history major nor am I a world traveler. I have met many people from different countries because of my proximity to a small naval base and the local small college. I do read voraciously and enjoy history. I however realize that history by definition is writen by the winner in most cases and today we see people and countries rewriting history to suit there views. Sort of like reinterperting the 2nd Amendment.
This is how I feel: I do not give one hoot what any other country in the world thinks. We are the most free society ever divised and as such we are a beacon to all the rest of the world. Only the elite in other countries view us negatively. The masses are all trying to get here.
If not for us the "world" would have lost both world wars. And people like you tried to keep us out of those wars to. If we allow our system of gov. to be changed by George Soros and his kind, we will be just another socialist society filled with the have's and have not's. But the have not's will have no voice in their government and no where near the opportunity to achieve their goals.
I realize that this attitude of mine is why the "world" thinks we are arrogant. But who are they to say anything about us? Take care of the problems they have before criticizing us. How can they be critical of the country that tries to protect human rights even though it is no business of ours? When did any of those countries try to protect himan rights? I agree we have made mistakes with our military power. So what? When decisions have to be made, hindsight will undoubtedly show that a different course MAY have been better. However, I think the mistake is that we don't go to win. Smash them and then rebuild them. This kinder gentler method is for fools.
A little while back, maybe not even in this thread, one of you quoted Ben Franklin out of context. The qoute which I can't rattle of verbatem, says that a person who will give up a right to secure a little security will have neither. NEVER give up a right. And screw the "world".

Kevin
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Re: Obama's 1st Major Mistake

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Fri Jan 30, 2009 2:22 pm

Devil505 wrote:
mikeandgerry wrote:I would hope that pre-emptive wars aren't off the table in the Obama White House.


I would hope that you bring your ideas on this subject to Flame Central. ;) :devil:

Edit: Who exactly are "You guys" in your above post?........ "My mistake for falling for your subterfuge. You guys are good at it and that is what is un-American."


Flame Suit Central? Why, so it can bring a level of incivility to the discussion? That's not what we need in this world. We need YOU GUYS to start thinking and not just parroting the party line.

You're a smart guy, dev, you can figure it out.
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Re: Obama's 1st Major Mistake

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Fri Jan 30, 2009 2:28 pm

KLook wrote: I realize that this attitude of mine is why the "world" thinks we are arrogant. But who are they to say anything about us? Take care of the problems they have before criticizing us. How can they be critical of the country that tries to protect human rights even though it is no business of ours? When did any of those countries try to protect himan rights? I agree we have made mistakes with our military power. So what? When decisions have to be made, hindsight will undoubtedly show that a different course MAY have been better. However, I think the mistake is that we don't go to win. Smash them and then rebuild them. This kinder gentler method is for fools. Kevin


Kevin, you are spot-on accurate in your assessment.

The vision of the rest of the world is dim, and the vision of the left is opposite the vision of our Founders.

Good post.
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Re: Obama's 1st Major Mistake

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Fri Jan 30, 2009 2:33 pm

jpete wrote:
mikeandgerry wrote:Second, what you guys don't understand is that it wasn't pre-emptive war. That's what YOU called it. It really started in the first gulf war. .


Might want to do some more reading. It goes back A LOT farther than that.


I have done a fair amount of reading on the subject. For your statement to be true, you must mean the conflict in general started A LOT farther back because significant and direct US involvement in a full blown war started in the first gulf war for the discussion at hand. That discussion was about "pre-emptive war" and when the current Iraq conflict began. The correct answer for which makes the Iraq war obviously not pre-emptive.

The conflict I am referring to is epic. It began with Abraham.

Let's see how well read you are: This epic battle is between the _______________ and the __________________. You can read about its origins in _______________.

Let's see if you get an A.
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Re: Obama's 1st Major Mistake

PostBy: KLook On: Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:02 pm

Arabs, Jews, Bible. Makes me glad I'm agnostic. :shock:
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Re: Obama's 1st Major Mistake

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:57 pm

Yes, basically.

Israelites, Ishmailites, Book of Genesis.
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Re: Obama's 1st Major Mistake

PostBy: Dann757 On: Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:58 pm

Go back to Bikini Atoll or what's left of it. Without warning, set off a 50 megaton H bomb. Announce to the world that the next country to mess with us will get the next one.

Deport every last person who can't speak English.

Give all the companies that sold out America and moved to China one year to come back and start over here. Otherwise none of their products allowed in.

Seize Al Gore's energy guzzling property and make him plant trees on his hands and knees.

Force the media to publicize how good things are going instead of spreading fear like wildfire.

Send the Gitmo detainees to Rahway State Prison.
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Re: Obama's 1st Major Mistake

PostBy: KLook On: Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:15 pm

I would add:
Break the labor unions so that high pay is for high performance.

Tort reform so ridiculous lawsuits are thrown out. This would bring down Workers comp to reasonable levels.

More regulations on Ins. companies. Insurance is legalized extortion.

Kevin
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Re: Obama's 1st Major Mistake

PostBy: OldAA130 On: Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:11 pm

KLook On: Only the elite in other countries view us negatively.


How bout the elite in this country... and Devil of course...

???
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