kootch88 wrote:Torture is wrong, at least from our agreeing to the Geneva Convention. We signed on to the Geneva convention long ago. If we believe it is a crock of *censored* then we should have rejected it, period. All I am saying is McCain believes it is torture and so did a lot of others who have used it, including our country. Obama thinks it is torture, McCain thinks it is torture and I believe it is torture. The press doesn't drag my mind around like a dog on a leash. Some of the information out there I reject, some I accept, just like opinions stated on this site.
Closing Gitmo may be a mistake, but it has helped a larger international perception that this country is no longer the great moral light we once were. Because of this perception, I think it had to be closed. We do not live in an isolated world and like it or not, international perception does matter. It also impacts our international relations.
I agree that torture is wrong. I haven't been presented with any evidence that the US tortured anyone. We just have accusations. No facts. I would find it difficult to believe that extended waterboarding was used at all let alone widely.
When guys like McCain are asked by the press, the press generalizes. The press is very skilled at making people look and sound stupid or culpable or contrite or nuts. They have the control over the information dissemination. Since they are in bed with the left, who hated everything GWB did, solely because he won by Supreme Court decision, they have set an agenda for the destruction of the right. Make no mistake; It is a scorched earth policy. They don't care about anything else, certainly not the truth. I don't believe a word they utter without verification.
You are correct that perception is the key to control. But you must consider who creates the perceptions and who controls that perception....the press. Other nations, including the UK, have historically used more heinous measures than the US ever dreamed of. You will never hear about such things in the UK because there is NO FREE PRESS THERE. The government runs the works. They can declare torture a heinous crime never committed by the Brits and turn around and beat the snot out of the Northern Irish. But you won't hear much about that or the Geneva Convention because the govt ultimately controls the news cycle.