Obama first president in 56 years to skip Hero's Ball

Re: Obama first president in 56 years to skip Hero's Ball

PostBy: av8r On: Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:40 pm

Jeddbird wrote:I agree this not showing up at ball had more to do with time & scheduling problems than with wanting to snub anyone. Give the new president a chance.


Can you cite your source(s) for this information or is it opinion?
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Re: Obama first president in 56 years to skip Hero's Ball

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Jan 25, 2009 11:09 pm

av8r wrote:You're wrong when you say "We won....You lost" There is no We or You. There is only us. The citizens of the United States of America.



Spare me the corny patriotic BS!! :nana:

This country was pretty clearly divided last 11/6 between:


WE......Democrats ....decisive winners of both The White House & most on Congress.


.....and

You.........Republicans
.......decisive losers of both The White House & most of Congress


(you must have heard about it.......It's been in all the newspapers.....& even, I believe, on Fox News!) ;) :lol:


and your "proof" merely substantiates that President Obama was not in attendance at the Ball. it doesn't prove this headline: Obama Snubs Nation's Heroes, Becomes the First President to Skip Ball Honoring Medal of Honor Recipients in Over 50 Years
That is what I doubt & we have only the word of your right wing rag as proof.
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Re: Obama first president in 56 years to skip Hero's Ball

PostBy: av8r On: Sun Jan 25, 2009 11:26 pm

You hold onto that partisanship. The rest of us will be here for you when you come to your senses.

Oh..and...in case you didn't know it....posting in huge letters is for n00bs.
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Re: Obama first president in 56 years to skip Hero's Ball

PostBy: stockingfull On: Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:33 am

LeonMSPT wrote:Of course. Any newspaper that writes anything critical is a "Far Right Republican Rag", and anybody who objects is a "Right Wingnut", and a "NeoCon Knuckledragger". That's why we got in the mess we're in now... groupthink. "Everybody" knew Hussein had WMD's. Even Hillary and Bill Clinton knew it. Feinstein knew it, Schumer knew it, Kennedy knew it too.

Watch and wait. No opposition and no debate. And they won't even be able to defend themselves by saying, "Well, the Republicans voted for it too."


Hey, Leon, your posts all seem to have the same theme, ironically a theme decrying what you dubiously characterize as the media bias and inaccurate descriptors used regarding the political right.

Why don't you start by listing the sources of your quoted descriptions?

Then, when you've got that done, tell us the last time ex-President Bush 43 invited the minority Democratic leaders in the House and Senate to the White House to discuss their ideas on legislation not yet drafted. I think you'll find that there's been more consultation with the minority in Congress in less than a week than was ever had between 2001 and 2007.

As to the all-important ball, it appears to be more important to the self-important than it is to the real veterans community:
. . . the Blackfive blog reports receiving a press release from the American Legion about the controversy.

According to the the Legion's media relations manager Craig Roberts wrote, "President Obama was invited but did not attend. Vice-President Joe Biden did appear, however, and was very warmly received. The new President's absence was understandable considering the unprecedented logistical challenges presented by the vastly increased number of visitors to this inauguration and the necessary attendant security measures. The American Legion, as an organization, does not feel offended or 'snubbed.'"

My guess is that Obama, like everybody celebrating an election, did his best to thank those who supported him in the limited amount of time he had. Of all branches of government, the military should be most sympathetic with the logistical difficulty of trying to be in too many places at the same time, especially after the last, oh, seven or so years.... :roll:
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Re: Obama first president in 56 years to skip Hero's Ball

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:02 am

A point about debate tactics here:

Here is how you (av8r) "cherry picked" just a few words from Craig Roberts in your post, to make it appear that he felt slighted by President Obama's non-appearance at the ball:

"Good evening,

The reports are correct. President Obama did not attend the event.

Craig

Craig Roberts
Media Relations Manager
The American Legion
1608 K Street, NW
Washington, DC 20006



Here is the much more complete quote of Mr. Craig's, which discloses a completely different reaction:

"President Obama was invited but did not attend. Vice-President Joe Biden did appear, however, and was very warmly received. The new President's absence was understandable considering the unprecedented logistical challenges presented by the vastly increased number of visitors to this inauguration and the necessary attendant security measures. The American Legion, as an organization, does not feel offended or 'snubbed.'"


Mr. Craig's complete statement shows his reaction was exactly the opposite of the innuendo propsed in this thread.
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Re: Obama first president in 56 years to skip Hero's Ball

PostBy: av8r On: Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:45 am

What I posted was an email, from Mr. Roberts to myself, in it's entirety. Feel free to email him yourself to confirm. I didn't rely on the internet for my research, I went to the source.

As for his reaction, I'm not sure what else one could expect from a media relations manager in such a public organization. I'm more interested in what the attendees thought. They're the people who have the right to have an opinion about this. I'm also still interested in why this president thought it fine to be the first in 56 years to pass on this ball? What ball did he attend in lieu of this one?

I'll continue to stick to the basics here. Actions speak louder than words. When this man or his team start showing that they're leading by example, I'll jump up on the stump with you guys. I don't care who is in charge. I just want someone with a big, brass pair that will kick the good old boys in the ass and start changing things from the top down.

Want to impress me? Make a law stating that any bill to be voted on can have only one item in the bill. Or only similar items, no pork attached. I'd be really impressed if he or anyone even suggested that. Don't tell me that something like this would cause DC to grind to a halt. It's not like these guys work themselves to death.

Devil505 wrote:A point about debate tactics here:

Here is how you (av8r) "cherry picked" just a few words from Craig Roberts in your post, to make it appear that he felt slighted by President Obama's non-appearance at the ball:

"Good evening,

The reports are correct. President Obama did not attend the event.

Craig

Craig Roberts
Media Relations Manager
The American Legion
1608 K Street, NW
Washington, DC 20006



Here is the much more complete quote of Mr. Craig's, which discloses a completely different reaction:

"President Obama was invited but did not attend. Vice-President Joe Biden did appear, however, and was very warmly received. The new President's absence was understandable considering the unprecedented logistical challenges presented by the vastly increased number of visitors to this inauguration and the necessary attendant security measures. The American Legion, as an organization, does not feel offended or 'snubbed.'"


Mr. Craig's complete statement shows his reaction was exactly the opposite of the innuendo propsed in this thread.
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Re: Obama first president in 56 years to skip Hero's Ball

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:06 am

av8r wrote:What I posted was an email, from Mr. Roberts to myself, in it's entirety. Feel free to email him yourself to confirm. I didn't rely on the internet for my research, I went to the source.


I'll take your word for it, stand corrected & apologize for the accusation. IF you had been aware of Mr. Robert's full response as posted by Stockingful & had deliberately only posted that portion which supported your views, that would have been an attempt to deceive, IMO.
At least now we all know Mr. Roberts (& his group) were not slighted at all & understood the reason was a scheduling one, not the "Snub" reported in the Cleveland Leader.
(their use of the word "Snub" accuses President Obama of..."1. A deliberate slight or affront." as defined in the dictionary http://www.thefreedictionary.com/snub ....which that newspaper would have no way of knowing his motives & is therefore not reporting, but editorializing to shamelessly fit their right wing agenda)

This should end the false controversy of this thread, which is no more than a further attempt to "Swiftboat" President Obama with false accusations.

Edit: Missed this part..."I'm also still interested in why this president thought it fine to be the first in 56 years to pass on this ball? What ball did he attend in lieu of this one?"
That has yhet to be established as fact other than through one (highly suspect) source. I'd still like to see corroboration from a respected news source. (I'll even take Wall St Journal or Fox News, if it can be corroborated....Not that he missed the Ball but that he was the 1st President in 50 years to do so)
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Re: Obama first president in 56 years to skip Hero's Ball

PostBy: stockingfull On: Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:00 am

av8r wrote:I'll continue to stick to the basics here. Actions speak louder than words. When this man or his team start showing that they're leading by example, I'll jump up on the stump with you guys. I don't care who is in charge. I just want someone with a big, brass pair that will kick the good old boys in the ass and start changing things from the top down.


(my italics)

Same here. Obama honored vets at the CiC Ball. Was there anybody at this "Heroes' Ball" who supported him?

The military's been over-deployed for most of the last 5-6 years. Obama, and most new Presidents, are over-deployed on Inauguration night. Inauguration Balls exist to thank your supporters.

That he's got a brass pair should be obvious: he was willing to break that 56-yr "tradition," to do the "unthinkable," to, as you put it, "kick the good old boys in the ass" by not attending and kissing the posteriors of his opponent's supporters at the Ball in question. I'm not saying I'd make the same decision but, if you don't think this guy's got "Balls," you're in for a surprise.
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Re: Obama first president in 56 years to skip Hero's Ball

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:39 pm

Obama is no different than Clinton. He snubbed the military too.

It's a pity because there are so many CMH winners and also so many people of color who have won the award dating way back in history. To be the first in 56 years to miss such an opportunity sings loudly about his lack of dedication to traditional values.

Indeed, the audacious Obama hopes to change everything.

Just remember: The more things "change", the more they remain the same.

http://www.homeofheroes.com/
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Re: Obama first president in 56 years to skip Hero's Ball

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:41 pm

stockingfull wrote: Was there anybody at this "Heroes' Ball" who supported him?



OMG

:shock:


Soldiers of Valor..........Commander-in-Chief


Anyone see a relationship of dedication and support there?
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Re: Obama first president in 56 years to skip Hero's Ball

PostBy: stockingfull On: Mon Jan 26, 2009 3:10 pm

I'm not familiar with the "Soldiers of Valor," Mike, so I don't know what you're driving at with that ref.

But let me turn it around on you for a moment. Clearly, McCain was the darling of the military in the last election. McCain lost. Obama won; he's now the CiC.

Maybe, just maybe, they should be kissing up to him, instead of the other way around.

But all that aside, my personal view is that this is a vastly overinflated issue, which is much more indicative of the effort of some to undermine the new Administration than it is of any true feelings either of that Administration toward veterans, or vice versa. Put another way, appointing Gen Shinseki to oversee Vets' Affairs is a far more significant sign of fealty to the military than spending 15 minutes at some "Ball" at midnight on Inauguration Day.
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Re: Obama first president in 56 years to skip Hero's Ball

PostBy: tvb On: Mon Jan 26, 2009 4:50 pm

Obama is no different than Clinton. He snubbed the military too.


So did Bushco. Think he didn't?

Find and get back to us with a complete list of the names of the soldiers he sent to their death in Iraq and whose funeral he attended.

Then take a look at what Bushco did to the VA budget - at a time when funds were needed the most.

Then take a look at the horrible conditions in VA hospitals under Bush until the Wash Post blew the door open on that story.

Yeah - Bushco friend of the military indeed.
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Re: Obama first president in 56 years to skip Hero's Ball

PostBy: Jeddbird On: Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:03 pm

av8r wrote:
Jeddbird wrote:I agree this not showing up at ball had more to do with time & scheduling problems than with wanting to snub anyone. Give the new president a chance.


Can you cite your source(s) for this information or is it opinion?



Since President Obama didn't dkirectly contact me about his scheduling problems that night, I guess you'd have to put it in the OPINION column but why not just ask Mr. Roberts if the ball attenddees felt ]snubbed.
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Re: Obama first president in 56 years to skip Hero's Ball

PostBy: av8r On: Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:05 pm

tvb wrote:
Obama is no different than Clinton. He snubbed the military too.


So did Bushco. Think he didn't?
.


My daughters will do the "I'm not wrong...she did it too" thing when accused of misbehaving.
I'd expect more from adults.
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Re: Obama first president in 56 years to skip Hero's Ball

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:13 pm

stockingfull wrote:I'm not familiar with the "Soldiers of Valor," Mike, so I don't know what you're driving at with that ref.

But let me turn it around on you for a moment. Clearly, McCain was the darling of the military in the last election. McCain lost. Obama won; he's now the CiC.

Maybe, just maybe, they should be kissing up to him, instead of the other way around.

But all that aside, my personal view is that this is a vastly overinflated issue, which is much more indicative of the effort of some to undermine the new Administration than it is of any true feelings either of that Administration toward veterans, or vice versa. Put another way, appointing Gen Shinseki to oversee Vets' Affairs is a far more significant sign of fealty to the military than spending 15 minutes at some "Ball" at midnight on Inauguration Day.


Congressional Medal of Honor winners are soldiers who served the United Stated with extreme distinction and valor. The CMH is the highest honor in the US.

The Commander in Chief, aka the President of the United States of America, is the one who puts soldiers in harm's way when the US need their service. CMH winners were exemplary in their service and never considered who their president was, only that he was their commander. Their only dedication was to the United States of America. The president should be honored and feel obligated to be at their ball to commemorate those who made, in some cases, the ultimate sacrifice and served so willingly and with such devotion to their homeland. He should honor those who he is about to command by acknowleding those who have served with distinction.

I would consider that inaugural ball support for President Barack Obama, wouldn't you? I was astounded that you questioned the soldier's support for their CinC since they demonstrated that support so willingly in the past by winning the CMH. Yours was a political comment in poor taste.

That President Obama didn't reciprocate is definitely not overinflated as an issue. It was a considerable faux pas.
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