Your country is being sold... Melt your phone lines.

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PostBy: lincolnmania On: Thu Jan 29, 2009 2:43 am

i refuse to buy autolite spark plugs because they are now made in china.......not only are they imported, the quality has gone down the tubes, before i realised they were imported (some old usa made stock was still around till about 6 months ago) i had a bunch that would not fire......the non firing ones were made in china.........i will pay more for american made goods if they are available......what really gets me mad is imported food in the grocery store.......was looking at some fruit in glass jars recently and it was grown and packaged in china
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PostBy: pret On: Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:10 am

I REFUSE to buy anything made in China... I don't buy from walmart... I'd rather pay double at the local hardware or 'mom and pop' place down the street... still a couple of those around.

It will take many... many of us to commit to buy USA made stuff and stop shopping at places like walmart to make a difference. But for me, difference or not, I will not buy anything made in china.

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PostBy: stovepipemike On: Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:34 am

I too try to avoid the china junk.It sadly has gotten to the point that it is not possible in all instances.I recently purchased a tool called the Woodman's Pal.I wanted one of these strange tools for a while but they are pricey. I got a card in the mail saying they are having a sale on slight blemish pieces.They are made close to me in Boyertown Penna.I drove over and got one.The blem cannot be found anymore after the first use,thats how picky those folks are.It can be used as a machette,brush axe,hatchet or knife.They were used in WWII thru today as a survival tool by the armed forces.Once you use it you get to appreciate good old american craftsmanship and design at its best. They are made using manganese tool steel and rockwell hardened to 47.I found that the edge really holds up.This small comapny is precisely the type of operation we need to support and encourage.I have excess piles of kindling wood now because this thing makes you want to keep going.There are no finer products in the world than those which America can and would provide if the government would only enact fair tariff laws. God Bless America. Mike
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PostBy: Dann757 On: Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:45 am

I won't contact any politician, from being dejected.
But I absolutely love the idea of boycotting Chinese goods. This is what this country needs, made in America again. It's so obvious. The government is throwing matches in a firebox with no coal in it; all the coal is in a foreign stove.
We have all seen companies relocate to the southern states, then to Mexico, now to China where the incentive is cheap slave labor.
The average citizens are the ones with the common sense.

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PostBy: arcticcatmatt On: Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:23 am

Funny someone mentioned food. Try to find american apple juice in the stores. Everyone I looked at the other day said china on it somewhere.

We should start some pact online of americans that want to truly change America. By joining this pact you swear to not purchase made in china goods. I think americans can change this country a hell of alot faster than our worthless government.
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PostBy: tvb On: Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:33 am

Even fresh garlic comes frmo China these day. it's unfortunate because it has really hurt the garlic farmers in and around Gilroy, CA. If you buy the garlic that come in a red mesh sleeve, it's from China.

The upside to the proliferation of imports is the recent country of origin laws. Food products must state via signs or labelling where they come from. If your grocer isn't in compliance with the federal law, ask them to get up to speed.
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PostBy: slu On: Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:49 pm

You want to stimulate the economy? Give tax breaks, not checks, to the taxpayers and incentives to the "small" businessman, the "mom and pop" operations, that includes the "family farmer". The country wasn't built by mega-businesses and neither are they the largest employers in the country.

How can you stimulate the economy by giving billions for STD education, re-sodding the lawn at the National Mall, supporting abortions around the world?

The stimulus package passed the House (Thanks, Nancy) call or e-mail your Senators.
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PostBy: stokin-railroad On: Thu Jan 29, 2009 2:12 pm

I avoid wal-mart at any cost. hate the croud and would rather pay more$$ at small "mom and pop" or other local hardware. a dollar or two more is not going to break me and i just don't like their business practices. not the same company as when Sam Walton was around, it's just about business now. a lot of people seem to have done very well when he was running things." Made in America" can be difficult to find but i will always look for it before making my purchase decisions!
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PostBy: RAYJAY On: Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:25 pm

arcticcatmatt wrote:yeah, I think I found an american made one at Agway. My girl was in a huge hurry so I am going back tommorrow to pick it up.

About the made in china thing..
I went to get a flag for my house.. made in china
I was reading an american history book at the book store and was going to buy it. While in the checkout line I noticed the back said made in china
I looked at granite countertops at a local hardware store the other day (grossmans bargain outlet), even those were made in china
I went to buy weights a few weeks ago at the store (happened to be the devil I hate and avoid), walmart. Made in china

Some of those things were heavy! I don't know how it is cheaper to get them from china.

But anyways, Out of all of those things. I purchased none!!

That brady link is unreal and sad.

You know this stimulus money we have received and they are talking about dishing out more?? There should be a rule with that. It is ONLY good on american made products by american owned companies!

China and Japan just smile when we get stimulus money because they know it is coming right back to them when people spend it. Heck, last time I read something it said the last stimulus money came from a loan from China.

All of this automotive stuff hits me hard. I work for a big 3 supplier. We have laid off around 40 percent of our people!! hundreds and hundreds. I almost got it this time around but somehow survived. The people we employ also laid off half their people also. It is a domino effect that alot of people just do not understand. Buy american/domestic! Especially since your tax dollars were just loaned to them! We are all now part owners in the domestic automotive market. If they fail, it is all of our money down the tubes.

Now all we have to wait for is the domestic automotive market to make some we really want to buy and can afford.......... All i want is a affordable US made car all wheel drive , that will hold its value, and go over 200,000 miles with reg maintenance,
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PostBy: arcticcatmatt On: Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:34 pm

Dodge Caliber
Ford Fusion
Mercury Milan
Ford Taurus
Dodge Avenger
Mercury Sable
Chrysler Sebring
Dodge Charger
Dodge Magnum
Chrysler 300
Lincoln MKZ
Cadillac CTS
Chrysler 300C
Cadillac STS
Ford 500

All of the above are domestic and come in AWD.
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PostBy: billlindley On: Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:47 pm

Everyone wants more but doesn’t want to pay for it. You can’t buy American because companies can’t afford to pay someone $65,000 a year to assemble shovels because no one would buy $75 shovels.

Why are the domestic auto companies going under? No one wants to buy crap American cars with longevity issues and bland styling. Why are the American auto makers at a disadvantage? Because American workers want to earn $80,000 - $120,000 a year while working on an assembly line, they also get a pension and lifetime benefits.

You can’t have your cake and eat it to. To provide Americans with the “lifestyle” they wanted it was necessary to buy cheap goods from other countries. Now everything most people own is crap. In addition while buying all that crap from China we gave them boatloads of money to do what with? Buy American debt so the “dream” will stay alive.
Once China stops buying that debt Americans will truly realize the perilous situation we are in.

You think there is this magical piggy bank that $825 billion, o wait, $1 trillion stimulus money is coming out of? It’s called the bank of China and Saudi Arabia.
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PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:59 pm

If I were China and watching the antics in the US I wouldn't want any more T-bills, notes or bonds. They pay a pittance in interest and are backed by the full faith and credit of the US, which isn't looking too good anymore with each passing trillion dollar pork bill.

Don't forget... the US, as a whole, made $14 trillion last year. We are in hock for an additional $2trillion in just the last few months.

We are strung out on consumption and we think more consumption will cure us. Get a grip on reality people. The whole thing is quickly coming to a head. We face hyperinflation and/or depressionary deflation. Both of which kill economies. Depressionary deflation will kill the nation.

Get ready for massive nationalization. Obama and crew are already salivating at the prospect of nationalizing the banks. If you think the banks were greedy and messed up, wait til the government crew runs the show. It'll be Fannie and Freddy times 100 :shock:
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PostBy: OldAA130 On: Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:31 am

Relate this to our heating systems...

Ever heard of water hammer? In a home heating system it just makes annoying sounds that wake you up in the middle of the night. In a power plant, I've seen water hammer do some really amazing damage. The principle there is that slowly over time you have a condition that builds that is not normal. Water builds in a steam line that is normally just steam. Then all of a sudden, the volume of water is moved and when it reached a point when it can't move anymore then kerpow! I've seen massive pipes split open, really stout hangers twisted mangled and broken, 36" I beams twisted.

This is figuratively what we are headed for. When the flood of dollars sitting in the system gets moving and then the value drops through the floor it will be a catastrophic water hammer event that happens very quickly. Many of you may not like Glenn Beck but watch this short video from last evening. It will shock you...

As far as Chinese stuff goes. I had to commit to myself that I would not buy "stuff" at every whimm, but decide what was important for my family and save for the more expensive American goods. And U.S. auto workers don't make $80k - $100k on the assembly line. I don't have a problem with a guy making 25 bucks an hour to put my car together. Let's see... 25 X 2080 = $52k/yr. You think that is a lot of money? I don't. There are other places to look into these corps where waste is running out of control. Don't make your neighbor suffer because he's in the UAW.

As far as the vote goes... I'm picturing a guy with a microphone yelling "who'll gimme ten cents... ten cents... ten cents... One dollar SOLD for ten cents to the highest bidder (and we're throwing in the rest of the country for free!)!
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PostBy: Freddy On: Fri Jan 30, 2009 1:22 pm

A buddy emailed this to me:

To All My Valued Employees,

There have been some rumblings around the office about the future of this company, and more specifically, your job. As you know, the economy has changed for the worse and presents many challenges. However, the good news is this: The economy doesn't pose a threat to your job. What does threaten your job however, is the changing political landscape in this country.

However, let me tell you some little tidbits of fact which might help you decide what is in your best interests.
First, while it is easy to spew rhetoric that casts employers against employees, you have to understand that for every business owner there is a back story. This back story is often neglected and overshadowed by what you see and hear. Sure, you see me park my Mercedes outside. You've seen my big home at last years Christmas party. I'm sure; all these flashy icons of luxury conjure up some idealized thoughts about my life.
However, what you don't see is the back story.

I started this company 28 years ago. At that time, I lived in a 300 square foot studio apartment for 3 years. My entire living apartment was converted into an office so I could put forth 100% effort into building a company, which by the way, would eventually employ you.

My diet consisted of Ramen Pride noodles because every dollar I spent went back into this company. I drove a rusty Toyota Corolla with a defective transmission. I didn't have time to date. Often times, I stayed home on weekends, while my friends went out drinking and partying. In fact, I was married to my business - hard work, discipline, and sacrifice.

Meanwhile, my friends got jobs. They worked 40 hours a week and made a modest $50K a year and spent every dime they earned. They drove flashy cars and lived in expensive homes and wore fancy designer clothes. Instead of hitting the Nordstrom's for the latest hot fashion item, I was trolling through the discount store extracting any clothing item that didn't look like it was birthed in the 70's. My friends refinanced their mortgages and lived a life of luxury. I, however, did not. I put my time, my money, and my life into a business with a vision that eventually, some day, I too, will be able to afford these luxuries my friends supposedly had.

So, while you physically arrive at the office at 9am, mentally check in at about noon, and then leave at 5pm, I don't. There is no "off" button for me. When you leave the office, you are done and you have a weekend all to yourself. I unfortunately do not have the freedom. I eat, and breathe this company every minute of the day. There is no rest. There is no weekend. There is no happy hour. Every day this business is attached to my hip like a 1 year old special-needs child. You, of course, only see the fruits of that garden - the nice house, the Mercedes, the vacations ... you never realize the back story and the sacrifices I've made.

Now, the economy is falling apart and I, the guy that made all the right decisions and saved his money, have to bail-out all the people who didn't. The people that overspent their paychecks suddenly feel entitled to the same luxuries that I earned and sacrificed a decade of my life for.

Yes, business ownership has is benefits but the price I've paid is steep and not without wounds.

Unfortunately, the cost of running this business, and employing you, is starting to eclipse the threshold of marginal benefit and let me tell you why:

I am being taxed to death and the government thinks I don't pay enough. I have state taxes. Federal taxes. Property taxes. Sales and use taxes. Payroll taxes. Workers compensation taxes. Unemployment taxes. Taxes on taxes. I have to hire a tax man to manage all these taxes and then guess what? I have to pay taxes for employing him. Government mandates and regulations and all the accounting that goes with it, now occupy most of my time. On Oct 15th, I wrote a check to the US Treasury for $288,000 for quarterly taxes. You know what my "stimulus" check was? Zero. Nada. Zilch.

The question I have is this: Who is stimulating the economy? Me, the guy who has provided 14 people good paying jobs and serves over 2,200,000 people per year with a flourishing business? Or, the single mother sitting at home pregnant with her fourth child waiting for her next welfare check? Obviously, government feels the latter is the economic stimulus of this country.

The fact is, if I deducted (Read: Stole) 50% of your paycheck you'd quit and you wouldn't work here. I mean, why should you? That's nuts. Who wants to get rewarded only 50% of their hard work? Well, I agree which is why your job is in jeopardy.

Here is what many of you don't understand ... to stimulate the economy you need to stimulate what runs the economy. Had suddenly government mandated to me that I didn't need to pay taxes, guess what? Instead of depositing that $288,000 into the Washington black-hole, I would have spent it, hired more employees, and generated substantial economic growth. My employees would have enjoyed the wealth of that tax cut in the form of promotions and better salaries. But you can forget it now.

When you have a comatose man on the verge of death, you don't defibrillate and shock his thumb thinking that will bring him back to life, do you? Or, do you defibrillate his heart? Business is at the heart of America and always has been. To restart it, you must stimulate it, not kill it. Suddenly, the power brokers in Washington believe the poor of America are the essential drivers of the American economic engine. Nothing could be further from the truth and this is the type of change you can keep.

So where am I going with all this?

It's quite simple.

If any new taxes are levied on me, or my company, my reaction will be swift and simple. I fire you. I fire your co-workers. You can then plead with the government to pay for your mortgage, your SUV, and your child's future. Frankly, it isn't my problem any more.

Then, I will close this company down, move to another country, and retire. You see, I'm done. I'm done with a country that penalizes the productive and gives to the unproductive. My motivation to work and to provide jobs will be destroyed, and with it, will be my citizenship.

So, if you lose your job, it won't be at the hands of the economy; it will be at the hands of a political hurricane that swept through this country, steamrolled the constitution, and will have changed its landscape forever. If that happens, you can find me sitting on a beach, retired, and with no employees to worry about ...

Your boss
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PostBy: OldAA130 On: Fri Jan 30, 2009 2:04 pm

This letter is a very good word picture of the perspective of a small business owner.

My opinion to add...

These politicians (and mostly DEMS.. remember not one GOP member voted for this latest bill) are not stimulating the economy at all nor is this their intent. This is about securing votes for upcoming elections. They don't care about this country at all. They only care about their power position and maintaining and gaining more power.

'nuff said?

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