does it ever end???

does it ever end???

PostBy: rewinder On: Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:11 pm

Just been surfing the net, reading things that ya never see on the news channels and bumped into this new brainstorm from the dems:

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Senator Diane Feinstein (D-CA) and Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA)

Oppose S. 247 and H.R. 520
SEMA ( Specialty Equipment Market Association) is opposing an effort by some Washington lawmakers to include a national car crushing program in the upcoming economic stimulus package. Vehicles targeted for the scrap pile will likely include Chevy Blazers, Silverados, S-10s and Tahoes; Dodge Dakotas and Rams; Ford Explorers and F-Series; Jeep Cherokees and Wranglers; and any other SUV or truck that obtains less than 18 mpg.

The so-called “Accelerated Retirement of Inefficient Vehicles Act” is "Cash for Clunkers" with a twist. Instead of focusing exclusively on old cars as is typical with scrappage programs, this bill will target any vehicle with lower fuel-economy ratings. Participants will receive a cash voucher to purchase a more fuel-efficient new car or used car (model year 2004 or later) or receive credit for the purchase of public transportation tickets.

Under the legislation, “fuel efficient” means at least 25% better mileage than the CAFE standard. It will be illegal to resell the scrapped vehicles. Bill sponsors want to destroy 4 million pickups and SUVs over the next four years.

The program will fail to achieve its goal of improving fuel efficiency and stimulating car sales, but will increase unemployment and the cost of used cars and parts. Here’s why:

* Given the minimal $1,500–$4,500 voucher value, the program will lure rarely driven second and third vehicles that have minimal impact on overall fuel economy and air pollution. This is not a wise investment of tax dollars.

* The program will reduce the number of vehicles available for low-income individuals and drive up the cost of the remaining vehicles and repair parts. This is a basic supply-and-demand reality.

* The program will remove the opportunity to market specialty products that are designed exclusively for the targeted pickups and SUVs, including equipment that increases engine performance and fuel mileage. Congress will be enacting a program to eliminate jobs and reduce business revenues in the automotive aftermarket.

* The idea that the trucks and SUVs must be scrapped in order to save energy is irrational. The program’s “carbon footprint” does not factor in the amount of energy and natural resources expended in manufacturing the existing car, spent scrapping it and manufacturing a replacement car.

* The program fails to acknowledge driver needs, such as the ability to transport a family, tow a trailer or rely upon the performance, safety and utility characteristics associated with the larger vehicles. Instead, these vehicles will be destroyed.

* There is no evidence that the program will achieve the goal of boosting new-car sales or increasing fuel mileage. Many states have considered scrappage programs in the past as a way to help clean the air or increase mpg, but abandoned the effort because they simply don’t work. The programs are not cost-effective and do not achieve verifiable fuel economy or air-quality benefits.

* The program will hurt thousands of independent repair shops, auto restorers, customizers and their customers across the country that depend on the used-car market. This industry provides thousands of American jobs and generates millions of dollars in local, state and federal tax revenues.

“Our members, like all business entities, are suffering the effects of the stalled economy,” said Steve McDonald, SEMA vice president of government affairs. “In fact, for our members that market product for newer vehicles, we depend on a thriving and vibrant auto industry to create new business opportunities. We support efforts to spur new-car sales. We don’t, however, support public policy efforts that we are convinced don’t work and will waste tax dollars in the process.”

SEMA Urges You to Oppose This Legislation
This is pure insanity.
The program would cost a fortune and deliver nothing.
And, of course the ones who will be hurt the most are low income individuals.
But, this doesn't seem to bother the democrats

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Also read that GM is investing 1 billion in their operatons in Brazil. I thought they were broke! Oh ya I forgot, the Fed just gave them billions in a bail out. so much for stimulating jobs in OUR country!

Just a few more things we never hear in the MSM

Doen anyone think we'll be able to survive this maddness?

paul
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Re: does it ever end???

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:12 pm

rewinder wrote:* The program fails to acknowledge driver needs, such as the ability to transport a family, tow a trailer or rely upon the performance, safety and utility characteristics associated with the larger vehicles. Instead, these vehicles will be destroyed.


And more importantly there will always be need for large vehicles like this. The abundance of these vehicles will slowly diminish over the coming years back to more normal levels especially if the gas goes back up. If you need a truck, you need a truck period. A Prius isn't going to drag your 2 ton of coal down the road.
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Re: does it ever end???

PostBy: rewinder On: Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:31 pm

You can't plow with a Prius either. My wife has a Prius, but then she voted for AlGore-- but is was nice when gas was $4

I have a GMC 2500 PU and it gets better milage than my ford ranger.
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Re: does it ever end???

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Sun Feb 01, 2009 12:19 am

I heard somewhere that the failure of the automakers and lawmakers to improve cafe standards was a direct result of safer car features to meet government regulations for air bags, braking, impact and other safety features. The safety adds hundreds of pounds of weight to the vehicle. Its' a case of one govt regulation at odds with another govt regulation. There are so many regulations that they collide quite often.
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Re: does it ever end???

PostBy: Black_And_Blue On: Sun Feb 01, 2009 9:48 am

Why would anyone bother to invest time, labor and money in a market dictated at the whims of bureaucrats?

Look around the world where this ideology has been implemented, it doesn't work out so well for the individual and freedoms.

There is something waiting for you at the end of this journey, it's called a totalitarian State.

All of these small arguments for collectivism and environmentalism will lead to tyranny.
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Re: does it ever end???

PostBy: Dann757 On: Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:10 am

" Congradulations, sir, here is your $1500 voucher for your 91 GMC Sierra. Please report to your nearest Toyota Dealer where you can apply it to a $28,000 Prius! Senator Waxface will be sending you a gold star!"

A couple years ago I was driving down Rt. 22 in Mountainside NJ in my 95 Jimmy. I encountered a police roadblock that was set up at a jughandle, complete with mobile State Inspection Station. The officer saw my cracked windshield and waved me over. I was going to let that crack ride until State Inspection was due. (The crack was produced while driving on The GSP, by a landscaper's truckload of illegal immigrants driving on the Parkway- flying stone)
I was shocked and said, "You can't do this! It's unconstitutional!"
The next officer, who was huge and mean, discovered my registration was a couple months overdue. ( This was my fault, I overlooked it since the new two-year inspection in NJ no longer co-incides with the registration renewal.)
I kept mouthing off and the cop said "One more word and you'll be walking home."
I yelled, "You're just doing this to generate revenue for your municipality!!!!"
So my right to free speech didn't apply, I guess.
They impounded my truck.
They made me wait for an hour and a flatbed towtruck showed up. I rode with the driver to the impound lot. I had to call a cab to get home. My property would not be released until I paid the fine.
Cab ride: $50.00
Tickets: $109.00
Impound fee: $119.00

PS- I missed Roger Waters doing "The Dark Side of the Moon" at Madison Square Garden that night.
Sorry for the rant......
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Re: does it ever end???

PostBy: Duengeon master On: Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:52 am

Black_And_Blue wrote:Why would anyone bother to invest time, labor and money in a market dictated at the whims of bureaucrats?

Look around the world where this ideology has been implemented, it doesn't work out so well for the individual and freedoms.

There is something waiting for you at the end of this journey, it's called a totalitarian State.

All of these small arguments for collectivism and environmentalism will lead to tyranny.
I am not sure, Is this the America we grew up in? 20 years ago these people would have been laughed out of Washington, now our freedoms are being destroyed faster than we can keep up. When will we get together and march on Washington and say enough is enough.-- Mabey after they are sucessfull at getting away our guns. and the freedom of the press I.E. The fairness docterine.
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Re: does it ever end???

PostBy: TimV On: Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:06 pm

Hummm
It figures I see that bill is sponsored by what I consider the 2 most glory seeking Nutcases in all Washington...California Kookoo's Peeloosey & Wax4brains( he reminds me of Bucky The Beaver) with those nice beady little rodent eyes ...just loved his performance at the baseball hearings...Senate hearings (how to make the folks at home think your doing something) when all you do is rattle your gums....Hold a congressional hearing.
These people just dont care nor do they have a clue.They all figure you need something just go the store ....what they dont know is where it came from and how it gets to the store.
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Re: does it ever end???

PostBy: stovepipemike On: Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:01 am

Speaking of how it gets to the store,it was on the news this morning that Caterpillar will no longer manufacture engines for domestic heavy trucking.They say government 2010 diesel standards are cost prohibitive to attain.Apparently they will concentrate on sale outside the U.S.A.[ where california has not reached .........just yet]. It is truly a sad commentary on how this country is going,to me, it is like using a flame thrower to kill bugs in the garden and then having to beg your neighbors for a lettuce sandwich. mike
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Re: does it ever end???

PostBy: slu On: Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:50 pm

It seems to me that the ones to blame are ourselves. We complain about the Boxers, the Pelosi's, the Durbins, the Reids, the Murtha's, but when it comes time to vote, we put our own clowns back in office. Our two senators are Republicans. I am watching very closely on how they vote on this pork-barrel stimulus package (I have e-mailed them both, respectfully, asking them both to vote NO!) If they vote yes, I will begin to work against them both.
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