Game Changer

KLook wrote:That it is not all over the news. I had to click on your link to read about it. Nothing more then that. Why did CBS not mention it tonight?

Kevin

Because they'll make better money by airing more "visual"..."Juicy" stories that will keep the viewer tuned to their next bladder control commercial. You think it is a conspiracy by the elite liberal media to hide the story??

No, I was just pointing out that it is not on the usual liberal news media. You got all balled up about the "liberal" tag. Very sensitive. By the way it is not on the MSN homepage either. Lets drop the subject shall we?

Kevin

KLook wrote:Lets drop the subject shall we?

Dropped

Devil505 wrote:Iran says first Iranian-made satellite sent to space


By Fredrik Dahl and Parisa Hafezi Fredrik Dahl And Parisa Hafezi – Tue Feb 3, 8:23 am ET
Iran launches satellite

TEHRAN (Reuters) – Iran said it had launched a domestically made satellite into orbit for the first time on Tuesday, a move likely to worry Israel and Western powers further a

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090203/ts_ ... atellite_7



This story has been verified by our DOD

This changes everything!

Any nation that can orbit a satellite can also attack any country on earth with nuclear tipped missiles, if they have nuclear weapons.
Iran cannot be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons, under any circumstances!

So now, Iran has moved one step closer to having the capability of putting an EMP strike on anyone they choose, eh? Well, I wonder who that might be ? Not Israel, they would be second. What about the Chicom's "lending" them a nuke or two, or three ? On credit of course.

slu wrote:So now, Iran has moved one step closer to having the capability of putting an EMP strike on anyone they choose, eh?

Agreed that they have moved another step closer....Not good

EMP?? (Electro Magnetic Pulse?)

Devil505 wrote:

slu wrote:So now, Iran has moved one step closer to having the capability of putting an EMP strike on anyone they choose, eh?

Agreed that they have moved another step closer....Not good

EMP?? (Electro Magnetic Pulse?)

Yes.

From what I gather it's relatively cheap, doesn't require a particularly sophisticated delivery system, can be launched off any coast by, say, old tankers or freighters not flying the perpetrator's flag (Who!?! Us ?!) and will absolutely body slam a hi-tech society like ours back 100 years in the blink of an eye without making the landscape glow for a 100 years. Using just a little bit of imagination, the scenarios become chilling.

Sorry, Devil505, but the mainstream media has never picked up on this one. There have been at least two Congressional hearings on who, what, when, and where as it pertains to the subject (One as late as last year). When all was said and done, the findings were not of the Mary Poppins variety.

slu wrote:Sorry, Devil505, but the mainstream media has never picked up on this one. There have been at least two Congressional hearings on who, what, when, and where as it pertains to the subject (One as late as last year). When all was said and done, the findings were not of the Mary Poppins variety.

I lost you?? Never picked up on what?

Nuke them 'till they glow and then shoot them in the dark.

Devil505 wrote: I lost you?? Never picked up on what?

When the hearings were being held last year, I never saw or heard a peep out of the mainstream media, on this subject. Given the mindset of the "radical" moslems, the uncanny simplicity and 'thinking outside the box' of their attacks (Who ever heard of flying a hijacked airliner, passengers and all, into a skyscraper before 9/11?), their shown tenacity, and the cruelty of their attacks against innocents, I would have thought it would have been newsworthy...the subject of the hearings certainly has the potential of reeking unbelievable havoc, pain and suffering on an unbelieveable number of citizens for a long, long, time....good plot for a movie...if not a lead newspaper, nightly news, or radio newscast story. It wasn't like they were having hearings on whether professional baseball players had lied about steroids.

(yes, I am one of those that believe that the mainstream media has a 'world-view' and agenda brewed and distilled in the "laboratories" of schools of journalism, headed by deans and professors who have never been able to escape their youthful "hope" of the heady days of the '60's, of the haunting phantom images of Che, Mao, Marx and Lenin. Deans and professors who 'bought' into the lie of the corruption and deceitfulness of fascist America and have never been able to turn loose of their deception.) Sorry about the rant....if you want to know how I really feel about the mainstream media, just ask me.

slu wrote:

Devil505 wrote:

slu wrote:

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Yes.

From what I gather it's relatively cheap, doesn't require a particularly sophisticated delivery system, can be launched off any coast by, say, old tankers or freighters not flying the perpetrator's flag (Who!?! Us ?!) and will absolutely body slam a hi-tech society like ours back 100 years in the blink of an eye without making the landscape glow for a 100 years. Using just a little bit of imagination, the scenarios become chilling.

Sorry, Devil505, but the mainstream media has never picked up on this one. There have been at least two Congressional hearings on who, what, when, and where as it pertains to the subject (One as late as last year). When all was said and done, the findings were not of the Mary Poppins variety.

Wow. They launch a sat today and tomorrow they will go all Matrix on the USA and launch an EMP sophisticated enough to take out every single electronic device in the US? I think we are making leaps and bounds in this thread.

billlindley wrote:Wow. They launch a sat today and tomorrow they will go all Matrix on the USA and launch an EMP sophisticated enough to take out every single electronic device in the US? I think we are making leaps and bounds in this thread.

Agreed!

slu wrote:

Devil505 wrote:

slu wrote:So now, Iran has moved one step closer to having the capability of putting an EMP strike on anyone they choose, eh?

EMP?? (Electro Magnetic Pulse?)

Yes.

From what I gather it's relatively cheap, doesn't require a particularly sophisticated delivery system, can be launched off any coast by, say, old tankers or freighters not flying the perpetrator's flag (Who!?! Us ?!) and will absolutely body slam a hi-tech society like ours back 100 years in the blink of an eye without making the landscape glow for a 100 years. Using just a little bit of imagination, the scenarios become chilling.

Pure B.S. Clearly dreamed up by someone that didn't pass even high school physics. Do you have a pocket version that works on radar detectors? Must have come from the talk radio idiots.

Yanche wrote:Pure B.S. Clearly dreamed up by someone that didn't pass even high school physics. Do you have a pocket version that works on radar detectors? Must have come from the talk radio idiots.

I'm not going to argue whether it is feasible or not, apparently it is to some. I am not a scientist, but it must pose a reasonable enough threat to justify testimony before the House Armed Services Committee back in July. By the way, the Bartlett quoted below is from your state, Rep. Roscoe Bartlett, MD.

"In a forward to the report, Bartlett noted, "The EMP Commission found that terrorists could perform an EMP attack. A sophisticated intercontinental ballistic missile is not required to make an EMP attack. The EMP Commission found that a short- or medium-range missile, like a SCUD or Iran's Shahab-3, launched off a freighter, could make an EMP attack on the United States. Iran has practiced such a launch-mode, firing a SCUD missile off a vessel in the Caspian Sea.

"A high-yield nuclear weapon is not necessary to perform an EMP attack that would destroy U.S. critical infrastructures. One of the EMP Commission's key findings reported to the U.S. Congress is that: 'Certain types of relatively low-yield nuclear weapons can be employed to generate potentially catastrophic EMP effects over wide geographic areas, and designs for variants of such weapons may have been illicitly trafficked for a quarter-century,'" Bartlett continued.

He supported the plan that established the Congressional EMP Commission in 2001, and while its report was released in 2004 with similar warnings, it largely was ignored.

Lowell Wood, of the Congressional EMP Commission, has said an EMP attack is a "giant continental time machine" that would destroy electronics and leave communications operating on the level of the technology from two centuries ago.

"Unfortunately, the public and all too many policymakers still do not understand that rogue states and terrorists are obsessed with obtaining nuclear weapons and EMP capability," Bartlett said. "They are well aware that if they can credibly threaten or actually execute an EMP attack against the United States that they could destroy the critical infrastructures – electrical power, telecommunications, transportation, food and water – that sustain our civilization."

Bartlett said experts have warned that such an attack "might result in the defeat of our military forces … the degradation of infrastructure could have irreversible effects on the country's ability to support its population."

And the attack even could affect more than just the United States.

"For example, a nuclear weapon detonated at an altitude of 400 kilometers over the central United States would cover, with its primary electromagnetic pulse, the entire continent of the United States and parts of Canada and Mexico," Wood has noted.

"Various government reports … have confirmed the growing likelihood of EMP events of various kinds," the new study of the Washington region said. "These reports and related congressional testimony support the contention that relatively available and inexpensive SCUD type missiles are capable of carrying the required payload that could be launched from a small ship 200 or more miles off the East Coast of the United States and detonated between 30 and 80 miles high.

"Any EMP-inflicted damage delivered from this altitude would extend out hundreds of miles beyond the region considered in this study, significantly complicating the recovery process and the restoration of economic activity…"

The study noted that the impulse would gather in its metal targets, and reach, according to some estimates, up to three million volts.

The Washington region economy makes up about four percent of the nation's output, and the study suggested that if an attack happened, only 7 percent of the region's damages would be repaired within the first month.

"The high case loss of $771 billion is almost one and one-half times the annual regional gross domestic product and is equal to 7 percent of the annual national gross domestic product," the study said.

"In the event of a continental-wide EMP, escaping the economic damage of the Baltimore-Washington-Richmond region by moving to Philadelphia, Atlanta or Chicago simply may not be possible. In that event, there could be an entire collapse of the economy as we know it for a period of years," the study said. "

I am not saying it's imminent. I was stating from what Devil505 posted that it is one further step. Those who know about these things are saying a strike is possible in 3 to 5 years.
Sorry if I got your hackles up.

slu wrote:Those who know about these things are saying a strike is possible in 3 to 5 years.

Have any links to that Senate testimony or any of these studies?

Devil505 wrote:

slu wrote:Those who know about these things are saying a strike is possible in 3 to 5 years.

Have any links to that Senate testimony or any of these studies?

Here is a link to the study which the brought about the House Armed Services Committee testimony: http://www.empcommission.org/docs/A2473 ... on-7MB.pdf

I am sure that Congressional testimony is available.

From the chair of that commission, William R. Graham:

It is the first report from the commission since 2004 and identifies vulnerabilities in the nation's critical infrastructures, "which are essential to both our civilian and military capabilities."

Not taking the steps necessary to reduce the threat in the next three to five years "can both invite and reward attack," Graham told the committee.

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