Game Changer

Check out Richard Rhodes' "The Making of the Atomic Bomb", the definitive tome on The Manhattan Project. You won't be able to put it down.

"Now I am become death, the destroyer of worlds..." From the Bhagavad Ghita, and quoted by Robert Oppenheimer upon witnessing the first atomic test blast in 1945. He also had a $50 bet with Enrico Fermi on whether or not the explosion would set the atmoshpere on fire.

One of our Trident submarines has the capability of taking out 200 cities. Not to worry. We'll melt Iran into a big green glass plate before they try that.

also- they played the footage of a cruise missile taking out a satellite from last year. I think its orbit was deteriorating and it had a lot of hydrazine left on it. I so hope they blast that Iranian satellite, but they probably won't because it would stir up all the sand monkeys.

slu wrote:Here is a link to the study which the brought about the House Armed Services Committee testimony: http://www.empcommission.org/docs/A2473 ... on-7MB.pdf

Thanks for that link but way to much info for a man of my advanced age to wade through.



[quote="slu"]Not taking the steps necessary to reduce the threat in the next three to five years "can both invite and reward attack," Graham told the committee.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.pr ... geId=69280




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The above link link is to the World Net Daily..... which is evidently a right wing nut job of dubious interest.
http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2 ... ckers.html

Always amazes me that some people think if it's printed somewhere on the internet that proves it's true.
Here's a site that still believes the earth is really flat:
http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublons ... atHome.htm

How about alien abductions:
http://www.crystalinks.com/abduction.html




Pick a crazy idea & I'll bet you'll find plenty of supporting sites for it.



Thanks anyway. At least now I know who I'm dealing with.

To respond to SLU without quoting his entire post.

I did some research last night myself on EMP's and what it would take to disable American infrastructure. Yes it is theoretically possible to detonate an EMP above Kansas and take out all electronic devices that aren’t protected. This would also take out most of Canada, Mexico, and Parts of Central America. Basically any electronic devices on the visual horizon of the detonation. The weapon would also need to be detonated in space, above nearly all sats and even the space station or about 600KM above the earth’s crust.

Have they mastered that technology?? Do they already have a 1 megaton atomic bomb?? 1 Megaton is thought to be the size of the nuke needed to create this destructive EMP??

Yes, a nuclear explosion generated EMP pulse will cause considerable damage to modern consumer and industrial electronics. Critical military systems have been designed to withstand the problem. A combination of shielding, component selection and redundant backup systems reduce the problem. Every spacecraft I've designed electronics for had a specification for EMP survivability. How hard you tried to mitigate the problem depended on the satellite's mission. For many you just made a best effort design. It wasn't worth the cost, to protect it. Who cared if a science experiment failed after a high altitude nuclear blast. The world would have much bigger problems. Operational military systems are designed for the worst case. It's costly and makes severe restrictions on the electronic components you can use.

Earlier in this thread it was suggested a cheap offshore EMP capable weapon would be possible. Such a device would have limited effectiveness because you basically need line of site to the target. It could still cause considerable local disruption. If it's a non-nuclear EMP generator it would require a huge electric power source to have much range.

Look at Wikipedia article for the common misconceptions. It's near the end of:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse

For the paranoid be sure to keep a vehicle with no electronics in it for you to make your escape. A diesel with all mechanical fuel injection. For certain all the modern electronic devices we love will fail. Ipods, computers, transistor radios, etc. if it's within range of an EPM. Depending on the EMP strength even devices that are powered off at the time can fail. Better repair grandma's old vacuum tube radio.

There is something to be said for the mutual destruction defense strategy. Unfortunately the nut case martyrs don't care.

Devil505 wrote:Thanks for that link but way to much info for a man of my advanced age to wade through.

Dang, Devil505, you're no older than I am. If that's too much, check out Yanche's link to Wikipedia.

Devil505 wrote:The above link link is to the World Net Daily..... which is evidently a right wing nut job of dubious interest.
http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2 ... ckers.html

The report was the subject of a Congressional hearing, right? You want to dismiss the report as a "right wing nut job of dubious" interest, just because it falls out of the political spotlight of your personal persuasion? I don't think you're that narrow.

Devil505 wrote:Always amazes me that some people think if it's printed somewhere on the internet that proves it's true.

With that statement, I'll agree.

Devil505 wrote:Thanks anyway. At least now I know who I'm dealing with.

Now...who are you dealing with?

Thanks to Yanche for his imput and sharing his expertise.

Given our enemy...or should I say enemies, I find the possible scenarios with this type of attack disturbing to say the least. Russia has already threatened us with this type of attack (whether they would deliver or not is another matter), the Chicoms are busy about the business of becoming a world power, if not THE world power, and Iran is trying frantically to come up with peaceful, nuclear power while working on missle capability...?!? All three of these are "buds" for the time being...as I posted before, if nothing else, it would make a great movie. Where is Jack Bauer when you need him?

Dann757 wrote:He also had a $50 bet with Enrico Fermi on whether or not the explosion would set the atmoshpere on fire.

I'm pretty sure that was Edward Teller taking odds. He also told them they were building a firecracker, he was building a real bomb. We all know how that worked out.

coaledsweat wrote:

Dann757 wrote:He also had a $50 bet with Enrico Fermi on whether or not the explosion would set the atmoshpere on fire.

I'm pretty sure that was Edward Teller taking odds. He also told them they were building a firecracker, he was building a real bomb. We all know how that worked out.

You're right ...it was Teller

Devil505 wrote:Any nation that can orbit a satellite can also attack any country on earth with nuclear tipped missiles, if they have nuclear weapons. Iran cannot be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons, under any circumstances!

Hold on a minute, devil, I think you said in a earlier post that pre-emptive strikes were off the table. What changed?

mikeandgerry wrote:

Devil505 wrote:Any nation that can orbit a satellite can also attack any country on earth with nuclear tipped missiles, if they have nuclear weapons. Iran cannot be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons, under any circumstances!

Hold on a minute, devil, I think you said in a earlier post that pre-emptive strikes were off the table. What changed?

Whose talking about a pre-emptive strike, not me.

Devil505 wrote:

mikeandgerry wrote:

Devil505 wrote:Any nation that can orbit a satellite can also attack any country on earth with nuclear tipped missiles, if they have nuclear weapons. Iran cannot be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons, under any circumstances!

Hold on a minute, devil, I think you said in a earlier post that pre-emptive strikes were off the table. What changed?

Whose talking about a pre-emptive strike, not me.

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I propose the world ICBM annual shoot out.

Each country MUST shoot an ICBM to targets marked by
the UN. Each country can pick which target it will shoot at.
Rules:

1. Target must be in the opposite hemisphere
2. Target must be no higher than 500 ft above sea level.
3. All ICBMs must pass with in 50 miles of either pole. ( north or south )
4. All shots occur during the winter months.
5. Any country missing by more that 50 miles must shut the F**K up until next year.
6. Any country not shooting must shut the F**K up now.

After the first year, you'll fell better about who can hit who. !!!

TSB