When you hear AHS? (Please explain your choice)

tom69z wrote: Oil will not ever be $4 for very long periods of time, especially not in this economy

Can I borrow your crystal ball, I never played the lottery but with foresight like this I may

I made the transition 38 years ago, and it was a pilot from Scranton who moved up here that showed me the light.
He still burns in an AA 130, is retired and helps others, too.
I have NOT burned an estimated 400,000 gallons of oil in that time, so I have done what I could for friends and family.....still do. Old timers have the benefit of experience on their side. Some chose to share it, some not.
Coal may not be for everyone, and that's OK, but companies like AA, AHS, EFM, Keystoker, and many long gone left a legacy of quality products, done right.
AHS copied the other guy's, with their own twist, and I sure like what they have done in all their product lines.
All are good, some are very good. The big dawg's are still making quality products, that were VERY efficient 60 years ago, as our naive next generation starts to thinks 'green'.
We are all on-board with technology, and companies like AHS have a terrific Gassification boiler line, as well as a bulletproof Waste Oil line......along with multi-fuel products.

Goggle them or search on this forum for more info.

Say tom69z,

I don't see this as an all or nothing choice, at least not for me.

I look at at it that I have oil fired (hydronic) CH as my primary heating system. I added a Pocono to try to take the load off the oil CH. My original logic was that if It dropped my oil bill by say 60 % then that would be OK it means I saved a lot but not all I could. The idea is that I just took some of the load off the main system and it only cost me one quarter of the cost of a total hydronic upgrade. If the coal stove goes down well then the oil takes over but I haven't spent a fortune and I have redundancy as an added bonus. The first year it went so well I added another Poco as an experiment and so far the CH has not turned on. I still view it that oil is my main heating system but now my goal is not to let the main oil system turn on if I can help it. If we get to -10F and the wind is blowing can I still be 100% coal? I think so but time will tell but hot one extra hydronic pipe has so far been laid. I fact I turn on the oil system once a month just to keep things moving. Now as oil continues to rise I tweak my coal system more and more and it just keeps getting better. I am sure have the potential power to be 100% coal but now I am playing with air flow patterns - not a massive scorched earth air system either. It's just gentle convection and I can take my time.

Love this stuff and as there is no pressure it is a fun game to play when I have a little time.

AA130FIREMAN wrote:

tom69z wrote: Oil will not ever be $4 for very long periods of time, especially not in this economy

Can I borrow your crystal ball, I never played the lottery but with foresight like this I may

Open your eyes, everyone is out of work. $4 oil in this situation would cause a depression. Dont worry though, Captian Obama and his socialist government are planning all the wealth re-distribution efforts as we speak.

Heres more information / Advice from my crystal ball ---- BUY GOLD AND SILVER. Precious metals like Gold and Silver will go MUCH higher than it is right now.

tom69z wrote: $4 oil in this situation would cause a depression.

Heres more information / Advice from my crystal ball ---- BUY GOLD AND SILVER. Precious metals like Gold and Silver will go MUCH higher than it is right now.

I was under the impression that is what we are recovering from As far as silver and gold, yes it will probably go higher, BUT, why start to buy when it's high, if you wanted to make $$$, you should of done this a couple years ago (BUY LOW , SELL HIGH ) I believe people are inversing highly in silver and gold, once people start selling off some will loose their A*s

While waiting for my 'Crystal Ball' to clear so I can see inside, the folks who are burning black rocks are indeed saving at least 50% on heating and hot water bills. AHS is still making fine products, and selling them all over the country, enabling us to use a fuel that is mined here in the USA, and the money from the sale of that fuel stays here in the local economies also........and provides employment for thousands of Americans who further support our economy.

For all you wood burners out there, the AHS gassification boilers are performing in the mid 90% efficiency range....verified by Independent testing. It even opens my eyes! That is remarkable, so even though I'm a 'hard rocks guy', wood looks very doable and affordable for those who chose that option.

I am straying from the subject, but I don't here anyone saying BUY LAND. It's cheap right now, everyone wants a piece and they are not making/finding any more. Whats here is here!!!

whistlenut wrote:
For all you wood burners out there, the AHS gassification boilers are performing in the mid 90% efficiency range....verified by Independent testing. It even opens my eyes! That is remarkable, so even though I'm a 'hard rocks guy', wood looks very doable and affordable for those who chose that option.

Wood gassification stoves are ideal if you have wood the available. Check out what is suppose to be the cleanest burning one.
http://www.lamppakuuma.com/

AA130FIREMAN wrote:I am straying from the subject, but I don't here anyone saying BUY LAND. It's cheap right now, everyone wants a piece and they are not making/finding any more. Whats here is here!!!

I dont consider $60,000 for an acre cheap in my area. but you have a point. Land always goes up.


Whoa. Back the Mack truck up.... AHS wood gasification boilers are over 90% eff ? I'm going to have to look into that more. When I clear land with my side business, the wood is FREE.

AA130FIREMAN wrote:

tom69z wrote: $4 oil in this situation would cause a depression.

Heres more information / Advice from my crystal ball ---- BUY GOLD AND SILVER. Precious metals like Gold and Silver will go MUCH higher than it is right now.

I was under the impression that is what we are recovering from As far as silver and gold, yes it will probably go higher, BUT, why start to buy when it's high, if you wanted to make $$$, you should of done this a couple years ago (BUY LOW , SELL HIGH ) I believe people are inversing highly in silver and gold, once people start selling off some will loose their A*s

Precious metals will go much much higher. As Club FED contiues to destroy your fake paper dollars as they are ludicriously pumping more and more paper into the system thru more Quantitive easing, Bernake is screwing everyone. Why QE2? Simple - the Chinese refuse to buy anymore US bonds and now the FED is stepping in and buying them up instead, Its like loaning money from your matress to buy your own money thats in your bank account. how high will Gold go? It was once said that the DOW and GOLD will meet somewhere in the middle, meaning 1 ounce of gold would be worth what the DOW is. I see Gold well over $4000/ounce once panic sets in that the US dollar is truely worthless. The Dollar will fall, its just a matter of time. Silver has much more upward potential than Gold because the COMEX is manipulating its price, but they can't hold it back much longer.

Well, sorry, thats enough of the financials for one day, now maybe Whistlenut can tell us a few good stories about the S130 ? thanks.

If you are going to do firewood, why not sell it and buy coal to burn. Wood is more work, a ton of coal = 1 1/2 cords of hard wood. wood at $180 cord or $270 is = $150 in coal if you can get it at the breaker + fuel to haul it. You would still be ahead with coal and you don't have to stack, split and season it, IT'S OLDER than the HILLS.

Having serviced a few for many years I found that style to be very labor intensive and prone to breakdowns. Spent many a cold night getting this style up and running. Sorry but EFM first and Keystoker second. Simple, long lasting, and very reliable.

FYI - my oil boiler just started leaking, 6 yrs old, its a Thermo-dynamics HT series unit. The company said they will warranty the unit, I just have to pay for installation.... Was actually thinking about replaceing it with a Axeman 130 unit... Either way, we'll see what happens.

tom69z wrote:FYI - my oil boiler just started leaking, 6 yrs old, its a Thermo-dynamics HT series unit. The company said they will warranty the unit, I just have to pay for installation.... Was actually thinking about replaceing it with a Axeman 130 unit... Either way, we'll see what happens.

Is it a cast iron or steel boiler, my former house had a new Utica (youcka) built in NY. cast iron boiler that went in 3 years, steam, their must of been a casting flaw. They replaced all the sections. I would try to have them replace all the sections if cast iron, will save time on the install $$$.

its a STEEL unit. Once the Tech verifys the leak, he will call the MFG with its serisl # and they will then send out a new bare boiler. I'll have to re-use my beckett gun and water coil (only 6yrs old each)... If I decide to install an Axeman 130, I'll then be Selling the boiler I got from the warranty. Just called Pete Axeman and they are $7323 new plus tax plus $200 shipping, so its looking like $8000 if i wanna go Coal..... I think I can get $2500 for the oil boiler though complete with gun and coil.... Its time to lay all these cards on the table with Genral Patton (wife), and see what the order will be.......

when it rains it pours.