Non Partisan question about Taxes and Representation

Ok forget your party lines for a minute and answer this question.

Taxation without representation. Are we experiencing it now? If so what does it mean to you?

To me the answer is YES! We have a government (Both parties) That takes more intrist in who is handing them cash and favors than the people (US) that they represent.

Question 2. AM I (Or you if you agree) now considered to be a terrorist? Un American? or enemy of the state by speaking up about this?

Ok your turn. And dont forget to write your representitives as often as possible.

Yes on 1. But we have been under represented for many years.
I am not yet considered any of the above. But when they announce their intentions to take my guns, I will become an enemy of the state.

Kevin

Yes on one

No on two (they really could care less! )

Yes for sure.They do just asthe corporate masters who give the money the lobbyists to funnel to them thru the Washington pipeline tell them to do.
And it does not matter which party they claim to be in...they are 100% for getting reelected period,case closed on that one.
On the second question .Your not a terrorist if you speak your mind but they have twisted reality to make anyone who "isn't with us" is "agin us"(they being the last bunch of leaches that just moved out of the White house but not out of Washington)
Its your cicvic duty to speak your mind if you have something to speak out on.
Once you give that up you can just resign yourself to be another number and you best do as your told.
ITS YOUR OBLIGATION TO QUESTION AUTHORITY. ITS NOBODY"S RIGHT TO TELL ANYONE HOW TO THINK OR YOU WILL BE LISTED AS "ONE OF THEM"
A moment I used a term called "Civic Duty"...many are thinking whats that?
WELL IF CIVICS WAS STILL TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS LIKE IT USED TO BE MANDATORY...THE SHEEP WOULD KNOW THEY ARE BEING LED DOWN A PATH AND WOULD FIGHT BACK BUT NOW THEY JUST SIT BACK FAT AND HAPPY AND LISTEN TO RUSH NOBRAIN LIMBAUGH AND FOX NEWS FOR DUMMIES

wnyjim wrote:Ok forget your party lines for a minute and answer this question.

Taxation without representation. Are we experiencing it now? If so what does it mean to you?

To me the answer is YES! We have a government (Both parties) That takes more intrist in who is handing them cash and favors than the people (US) that they represent.

Question 2. AM I (Or you if you agree) now considered to be a terrorist? Un American? or enemy of the state by speaking up about this?

Ok your turn. And dont forget to write your representitives as often as possible.

No on #1. You have representation. (that's what you are writing your representatives about.) They may not be doing what you want them to do but, they do represent you. If you recall, the colonists were subjects of the King's will. British commoners in England had some form of rudimentary representation as laid out in the Magna Carta, or something like that, but the colonists had none.

You are correct that they are swayed by lobbyists and donations. I would prefer that all funding for office come from the federal government on a equal basis, after all primaries, for the election for president. States, of course, have the right to manage their elections as they see fit.


You have the rights of the first amendment:

Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

TimV wrote:Once you give that up you can just resign yourself to be another number and you best do as your told.
ITS YOUR OBLIGATION TO QUESTION AUTHORITY. ITS NOBODY"S RIGHT TO TELL ANYONE HOW TO THINK OR YOU WILL BE LISTED AS "ONE OF THEM"...THE SHEEP WOULD KNOW THEY ARE BEING LED DOWN A PATH AND WOULD FIGHT BACK BUT NOW THEY JUST SIT BACK FAT AND HAPPY AND LISTEN TO RUSH NOBRAIN LIMBAUGH AND FOX NEWS FOR DUMMIES

Interesting rant. Apparently you believe in free speech, but only for one viewpoint. I suppose you will be calling your representative and telling him that Rush should be banned from the air or forced to "equal time".

The proposed "fairness doctrine" is anything but fair and will attempt to silence Rush and his contemporaries. It is an attempt to silence one viewpoint. It is a gross violation of the first amendment.

Not to get away from my own topic. But I dont think Rush Limbaugh should be silenced.
However I do not agree with his agenda. I do hope most thinking people realise he is about as honest and helpful as Tokyo Rose was during WW2. He is pure corporate propaganda.

or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. If you have a permit.

saw this tonite and thought it might be appropoe :roll: :

John Kennedy once said to a assembled group of scholars in the White
>> House:
>> I think this is the most extraordinary collection of talent, of human
>> knowledge, that has ever been gathered at the White House with the
>> possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone."
>>
>>
>> The quotes of Thomas Jefferson below could prove his point.
>> When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe , we
>> shall become as corrupt as Europe
>> _Thomas Jefferson_
>>
>> The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who
Are willing to work and give to those who would not.
>> _Thomas Jefferson_
>>
>> It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes.
A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the
world.
>> _Thomas Jefferson_
>>
>> I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
>> government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking
care of them.

>> _Thomas Jefferson_
>>
>> My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results
from too much government.

>> _Thomas Jefferson_

>> No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.

>> _Thomas Jefferson_
>>
>> The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and
bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in
government.

_Thomas Jefferson_
>>
>> The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the
blood of patriots and tyrants.
>> _Thomas Jefferson_
>>
>> Very Interesting Quote:
>>
>> In light of the present financial crisis, it's interesting to
read what
>>
>> Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
>>
>> Banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties
>> than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private
banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation,
the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will
deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the
continent their fathers conquered.
>>
>> Doesn't this sound eerily familiar to what is happening in
America
>> today?

Hasn't BO taken shoots at "them" that disagree with him at every townhall meeting which represent the so called right wing conservatives at every meeting . And is it true without a second party to try to keep the other party honest we would fall into a communist-socialist government oh yeah I forgot thats whats happening right now. The democrats think they know whats right and think they have the right to force their beliefs down everybodys throat I guess tolerance for other beliefs works one way . Who are the revisionists that have revised history that is being taught in our schools. How many times has it been rewritten. Our Constitution, Bill of rights and Magna Carta is no longer being taught and we wonder why we are in dire straights today. The liberals have complete control of our schools. And all the druggies and free thinkers of the 60s rebellion are running our government now so what do we expect besides anything but entitlement bills and laws circumventing our Constitution. Answer is no we do not have constitutional representation and yes we do have taxation most of it illegal. Income tax was supposed to support the war but after the war the government unilaterally made it permanent so why is this war costing money thats been taken for over 50 years. Tolls are still being collected for road maintenance why are roads in such disrepair we needed them there sports arenas. What about bridge tolls why are they in such disrepair? What about the road and fuel tax that the truckers pay putting independent truckers out of business? If we went to a flat tax on EVERYONE say 10% we would not be in this mess and glory be the IRS would disappear but who's responsible for rejecting that bill every time it comes up. But we know that will never happen because 50% of government jobs would be eliminated and it would'nt be such a cushy job because WE THE PEOPLE would know what their up to. We have 4 years to let our representative KNOW to shape up or your done and will be investigated for misrepresentation of their office. We have a voice lets use it.