Devil, Tell Us about the Drug Problem in the US

Dann757 · By: **Dann757** On: Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:58 pm

I agree with you on this one Devil505. I wonder where the drug problem fits in all the other crazy problems we're all trying to bear up under these days. May not be the biggest thing we have to worry about.

Richard S. · By: **Richard S.** On: Sat Feb 07, 2009 11:13 pm

The only solution is to legalize them ALL, yes I said all. The only thing illegal drugs do is line the pockets of criminals and cause criminal activity. Case in point Philadelphia is/was the heroin capital of the U.S. This is about a 2.5 hour drive from me. You could drive there, buy $200 worth and come back here and sell it for $1000 if not more... Needless to say my area saw a epidemic of heroin use through the late 90's which continues today and I'd even suggest the illegal nature of it contributed to the problem because so many people were seeking it out to not only use but to profit from it as well. If it had not been illegal I don't think we would of had the problem we did.

jpete · By: **jpete** On: Sat Feb 07, 2009 11:27 pm

Richard S. wrote:The only solution is to legalize them ALL, yes I said all. The only thing illegal drugs do is line the pockets of criminals and cause criminal activity. Case in point Philadelphia is/was the heroin capital of the U.S. This is about a 2.5 hour drive from me. You could drive there, buy $200 worth and come back here and sell it for $1000 if not more... Needless to say my area saw a epidemic of heroin use through the late 90's which continues today and I'd even suggest the illegal nature of it contributed to the problem because so many people were seeking it out to not only use but to profit from it as well. If it had not been illegal I don't think we would of had the problem we did.

I agree with this. At the most basic level, heroin isn't any different than alcohol. You are choosing to damage yourself in one way or the other. And just like alcohol, if you get whacked out and kill or injure another person, you should pay the price.

I think if we legalized MORE things(not just drugs) and toughened/actually enforced the punishments for breaking the law(violating the rights of others).

We'd spend a lot less money and be a whole lot happier. IMO.

rberq · By: **rberq** On: Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:44 am

Richard S. wrote:The only solution is to legalize them ALL

I agree one hundred percent. It's good if the White House can change policy and stop subverting medical marijuana laws in the states. But that still leaves the federal laws on the books, to be re-imposed by the next cretin to inhabit the presidency. And I have to confess, I am a little uncomfortable with a president who doesn't enforce the laws he has sworn to uphold. Since there are laws against just about everything, it leaves our privacy and security subject to the whim of whoever holds office at any given time.

Dann757 · By: **Dann757** On: Sun Feb 08, 2009 11:24 am

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jpete wrote: At the most basic level, heroin isn't any different than alcohol. You are choosing to damage yourself in one way or the other.

I think I get your point, but I think heroin is much more dangerous. A kid could get a hold of a bottle of Jack Daniels and would probably puke or get too drunk before a fatal overdose occurs. Some kids get involved in hazing or peer pressure and get alcohol poisoning as we all know. Sometimes it's fatal.

But the purity of heroin available on the streets makes it much more likely to take a fatal overdose, especially with young affluent suburban kids, IMO.

jpete · By: **jpete** On: Sun Feb 08, 2009 11:42 am

Dann757 wrote:.
jpete wrote: At the most basic level, heroin isn't any different than alcohol. You are choosing to damage yourself in one way or the other.

I think I get your point, but I think heroin is much more dangerous. A kid could get a hold of a bottle of Jack Daniels and would probably puke or get too drunk before a fatal overdose occurs. Some kids get involved in hazing or peer pressure and get alcohol poisoning as we all know. Sometimes it's fatal.

But the purity of heroin available on the streets makes it much more likely to take a fatal overdose, especially with young affluent suburban kids, IMO.

I don't have a problem with that. Young, affluent suburban kids grow up to be stock brokers and you see how well that worked out.

Devil505 · By: **Devil505** On: Sun Feb 08, 2009 2:32 pm

Check out the spike TV DEA series...Not bad.

http://www.spike.com/show/26319?tabId=2 ... TabMembers

SMITTY · By: **SMITTY** On: Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:03 pm

One thing I noticed in my younger days was how different personalities react to different drugs. One guy could smoke coke all weekend, then show up to work on Monday like nothing ever happened, then go on & get married, have kids & laugh about the old days. The next guy would crawl around on the floor trying to smoke pieces of dirt that MIGHT be a rock he dropped, blow off work to find more on Monday, get fired, then go on to armed robbery & serve may years in prison. That's the real deal with some drugs. Saw it & lived it. Some of us came through, some are 6 feet under.....

It just amazes me how one drug can have a PROFOUNDLY different effect on 5 different people. That would play a huge role in legalization of anything.

Devil505 · By: **Devil505** On: Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:10 pm

SMITTY wrote:It just amazes me how one drug can have a PROFOUNDLY different effect on 5 different people. That would play a huge role in legalization of anything.

I hear you Smitty but the same thing separates a social drinker from the closet alcoholic to the town drunk, doesn't it?

How about criminalizing jelly donuts because some obese people have no willpower?

You get my point. (at some point people are responsible for what they do to themselves. We can't expect government to be our conscience/parent)

e.alleg · By: **e.alleg** On: Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:31 am

The same thing with any drug. How many people took their first shot of vodka and puked, or smoked a cigarette and coughed up a lung, or did a little H and got sick as hell? Some people learn their lesson, others like the self destructive nature of it. Some people cut themselves for fun. I say who cares what people do, let them waste their life if they want to, but by legalizing the dope and hookers and gambling it stops wasting my money on them. One thing for sure is by legalizing dope it will take most of the fun out of it. I drank more between the age of 16 and 21 than I did after I became of legal age, once I could buy beer with my real ID it just wasn't the same. Plus the guy at the package store was pissed

Dann757 · By: **Dann757** On: Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:40 am

I saw a show last night on the eradication of marijuana on State land in California. It just seemed ridiculous to waste all that equipment and manpower. A waste of taxpayer's money. Like trying to eradicate bamboo. Even the helicopter pilot said it's a losing battle. If it was not incredibly lucrative people wouldn't go to great lengths to cultivate it. Madness.

Devil505 · By: **Devil505** On: Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:09 am

Dann757 wrote:I saw a show last night on the eradication of marijuana on State land in California. It just seemed ridiculous to waste all that equipment and manpower. A waste of taxpayer's money. Like trying to eradicate bamboo. Even the helicopter pilot said it's a losing battle. If it was not incredibly lucrative people wouldn't go to great lengths to cultivate it. Madness.

Plus it's a weed & grows everywhere.......like a weed!

coaledsweat · By: **coaledsweat** On: Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:13 pm

Dann757 wrote:I saw a show last night on the eradication of marijuana on State land in California. It just seemed ridiculous to waste all that equipment and manpower. A waste of taxpayer's money.

I caught some of that, said they were throwing 10s of billions of dollars at it a year in California alone. It makes no sense.

pvolcko · By: **pvolcko** On: Mon Feb 09, 2009 6:28 pm

Smoke away, potheads.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/science/sciencenews/4566251/Cannabis-could-cause-testicular-cancer---study.html

Not a definitive causal link established yet, but something for the 420 society to think about.

Devil505 · By: **Devil505** On: Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:57 pm

pvolcko wrote:Smoke away, potheads.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/science/sciencenews/4566251/Cannabis-could-cause-testicular-cancer---study.html

Not a definitive causal link established yet, but something for the 420 society to think about.

I get your point.......If it's potentially bad for you.....Make it illegal!

(Damn.......How much time in the slammer will my jelly donuts with coffee habit get me?)

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