KLook wrote:Wow, sorry I gave the laptop to the wife and watched the Bud shootout at Daytona! After reading through all the posts I sum it up like this. Each and everyone in here on this subject make good points that we all can agree with. Throwing onliner quotes from old Ben & Tom are nice and they generally apply except for the fact that, as pointed out, this is not the 1700's. We are still batting this about without the information that our government officials have. Even comments made about events from the past cannot guarantee that all the facts are known or that misinformation hasn't been spread.
I fear my govenment more then the terrorist personally. But I feared Devil's new police force even more.(previous thread)
Answering the comment from Jeff about my prefering people to fear us rather then respect us. The two are very close to being the same thing. The results are the same with either. Saddam may have respected the Kuwati's when he invaded but he surely didnt fear them. Us he feared but didnt respect. He thought we were weak as we have shown at times and would not attack him. If they think we are going to kick someone in the b**Ls everytime they attack us, they will have to be more thoughtful about the attacks. Or they may become more of a bother then they are worth to the leaders that hide them. remember as our Savior and his cabinet start talking. These people think talk is a sign of weakness. Lets carry a big stick.
I love the "it's not the 1700's anymore" mentality. The only thing that's changed is the scale and speed with which attacks occur. Early Americans had Indian attacks on land and pirate attacks at sea. Then they fought the largest empire the world had ever seen, the British.
The concepts of freedom vs. tyranny are universal and timeless. That's why "Natural Law" is the only law. Descartes said "Cogito ergo sum", "I think therefore I am."
You have rights and freedom for the same reason.
When you say "I haven't given anything up" even though this whole conversation is being recorded for future review is just whistling past the graveyard.