President Obama's Press Conference

Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:51 pm

BillMarti wrote:Devil,

As I said replace them with new people new blood does not necessarily mean a demican will replace them but it will send a message to all representatives of both parties and maybe even get the independents a shot in the arm which I think in the long run will happen any way. I believe both party's are disappointed at this time at the condition of our country you have to admit that.

Bill S.


I of course agree that members of both parties "are disappointed at this time at the condition of our country", but the election results proved that they/we blame Republicans more than Democrats, right? (You can't deny the election results, can you?)
OK.......So since the voters blame Republicans more than Democrats, even if we had term limits & were forced to pick NEW people, if the Republican Party keeps pushing away the moderates (who decide elections)....why wouldn't these NEW elected reps just be NEW Democrats? (How is the Republican Party going to attract moderate voters to elect their NEW Republican reps?)

Psst.......If you have an answer to that question I suggest you send it into the RNC because THEY think the answer is to lurch even further to the right! :secret:

(as a Democrat, it's almost fun to watch!!....Kinda like watching someone looking down the barrel of a gun & pulling the trigger to see if it's loaded!) :funny: :rambo2: :stretcher:
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:23 pm

Devil505 wrote: but the election results proved that they/we blame Republicans more than Democrats, right? (You can't deny the election results, can you?)
OK.......So since the voters blame Republicans more than Democrats,


You can't say that. Most people don't even KNOW there is a choice between R's or D's. The R's and D's got together and wrote the rules for the Debate Committee to exclude any third parties. The game is rigged so that we have one more choice than Russia. And there is less and less difference between the two every day.

You may like crowing that the D's "won" something but at best, you were promoted to captain of the Titanic. Enjoy!
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:32 pm

jpete wrote:The R's and D's got together and wrote the rules for the Debate Committee to exclude any third parties. The game is rigged so that we have one more choice than Russia. And there is less and less difference between the two every day.


I'm not a conspiracy buff. I believe:

1. Oswald alone killed JFK
2. SS alone killed RFK
3. JER alone killed MLK
4. We landed on the Moon
5. There is no Loch Ness Monster or Alien bodies in the U.S. Southwest
6. Al Quieda was responsible for 9/11
7. FDR did not know that Pearl Harbor would be attacked.
8. There is a huge difference between the Democratic & the Republican parties.....Probably the biggest difference in my lifetime & you can't seriously argue the election results don't show that most American voters agree with me & not you.
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: BillMarti On: Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:44 pm

Devil,

I think this is a temporary transition you know the lessor of 2 evils won. Whats going on now will bury the demicans in the long run. The people are watching the magic money take it's toll and they will soon realize it will not help them today when they need it. The people that are losing their homes due to mortgages they could not afford to begin with that acorn and others had much of the responsibility of these loan failures. A lot of people are taking notice to this also. But the people that really are in need due to job loss lose out because they earned it honestly and don't play the system. Those that defaulted on their loans because they played the system still won't be able afford the mortgage so now my tax dollars will pay for their home that's a problem. How about the 1 time loan to the Auto manufactures now their asking for more money I believe they'll get it and the unions won't take a cut to save the company from bankruptcy , do you think that will go unnoticed. How about the clown in ohio telling these x home owners to show civil disobedience and squat in houses whether they owned them or not. How long do you think things like this will go unnoticed. I earned what we have I work for a living there are jobs out there to be had despite "BO'S crisis" there is no reason you can't find a job. I've lost 2 jobs over a union I was a member of 1 shut down a plant over $.10 the 2nd didn't protect me from my supervisor harassing me to work on Saturdays being a single parent I couldn't. I've never lost or was fired from a none union job my skills speak for themselves I took the time to gain the skill I needed when I joined the work force. I do not look for hand outs I do not think I'm entitled for hand outs and any unemployment I received I paid for thru my 38 years in the work force I may have received 1 year over a 38 year period.
I will never agree that entitlements are a right thats what this porkulus bill is all about. And no it is not luck I am employed it is surly by the grace of God and by no other.

What happened here this is one of yours

Camille Paglia Says Democrats Betrayed the Soul of Their Party

Camille Paglia appeared on WABC-AM's 'The Mark Simone Show' yesterday to talk about the Fairness Doctrine, and you may be surprised at what she said. Paglia blasted the Democrats for even mentioning a reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine, saying "I don't get it . . . the essence of the 1960's, my generation, was about free speech . . . that's what Lenny Bruce was about - it was about the free speech movement, for heaven's sake, at Berkeley! What are my fellow Democrats doing? Not for one second should the government be wandering into survelliance of, monitoring of, the ideological content of talk radio. The Democrats, they've totally betrayed the soul of the party to even mention this." The demicans forgot there roots?

Bill S.
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:52 pm

Devil505 wrote:
jpete wrote:The R's and D's got together and wrote the rules for the Debate Committee to exclude any third parties. The game is rigged so that we have one more choice than Russia. And there is less and less difference between the two every day.


I'm not a conspiracy buff. I believe:

1. Oswald alone killed JFK
2. SS alone killed RFK
3. JER alone killed MLK
4. We landed on the Moon
5. There is no Loch Ness Monster or Alien bodies in the U.S. Southwest
6. Al Quieda was responsible for 9/11
7. FDR did not know that Pearl Harbor would be attacked.
8. There is a huge difference between the Democratic & the Republican parties.....Probably the biggest difference in my lifetime & you can't seriously argue the election results don't show that most American voters agree with me & not you.


It's not a "conspiracy" you dolt! A term, by the way, people use when they can't produce a valid argument.

Prior to 1988, presidential debates were organized by the League of Women Voters. In 1987, the R's and D's got together and formed the Commission on Presidential Debates.

Ross Perot bought his way in during the 1992 campaign but since 1988, you haven't seen a debate that wasn't scripted from end to end.

October 3, 1988

LEAGUE REFUSES TO "HELP PERPETRATE A FRAUD"

WITHDRAWS SUPPORT FROM FINAL PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE

WASHINGTON, DC —"The League of Women Voters is withdrawing its sponsorship of the presidential debate scheduled for mid-October because the demands of the two campaign organizations would perpetrate a fraud on the American voter," League President Nancy M. Neuman said today.

"It has become clear to us that the candidates' organizations aim to add debates to their list of campaign-trail charades devoid of substance, spontaneity and honest answers to tough questions," Neuman said. "The League has no intention of becoming an accessory to the hoodwinking of the American public."

Neuman said that the campaigns presented the League with their debate agreement on
September 28, two weeks before the scheduled debate. The campaigns' agreement was negotiated "behind closed doors" and vas presented to the League as "a done deal," she said, its 16 pages of conditions not subject to negotiation.

Most objectionable to the League, Neuman said, were conditions in the agreement that gave the campaigns unprecedented control over the proceedings. Neuman called "outrageous" the campaigns' demands that they control the selection of questioners, the composition of the audience, hall access for the press and other issues.

"The campaigns' agreement is a closed-door masterpiece," Neuman said. "Never in the history of the League of Women Voters have two candidates' organizations come to us with such stringent, unyielding and self-serving demands."

Neuman said she and the League regretted that the American people have had no real opportunities to judge the presidential nominees outside of campaign-controlled environments.

"On the threshold of a new millenium, this country remains the brightest hope for all who cherish free speech and open debate," Neuman said. "Americans deserve to see and hear the men who would be president face each other in a debate on the hard and complex issues critical to our progress into the next century."

Neuman issued a final challenge to both Vice President Bush and Governor Dukakis to "rise above your handlers and agree to join us in presenting the fair and full discussion the American public expects of a League of Women Voters debate."


The Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD) was established in 1987 to ensure that debates, as a permanent part of every general election, provide the best possible information to viewers and listeners. Its primary purpose is to sponsor and produce debates for the United States presidential and vice presidential candidates and to undertake research and educational activities relating to the debates. The organization, which is a nonprofit, nonpartisan, 501(c)(3) corporation, sponsored all the presidential debates in 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, and 2004.



http://www.debates.org/index.html
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:55 pm

BillMarti wrote:Whats going on now will bury the demicans in the long run. The people are watching the magic money take it's toll and they will soon realize it will not help them today when they need it.


So The Republicans are economically conservative? My ass. The only time they oppose spending is when the Dems control the wallet. ;)
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:01 pm

jpete wrote:It's not a "conspiracy" you dolt!

Was that necessary to make an intelligent, mature point?


My point is valid I think.

May I ask you for an honest answer as to whether or not you agree with me on these opinions?
1. Oswald alone killed JFK
2. SS alone killed RFK
3. JER alone killed MLK
4. We landed on the Moon
5. There is no Loch Ness Monster or Alien bodies in the U.S. Southwest
6. Al Quieda was responsible for 9/11
7. FDR did not know that Pearl Harbor would be attacked.
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:09 pm

Devil505 wrote:
jpete wrote:It's not a "conspiracy" you dolt!

Was that necessary to make an intelligent, mature point?


My point is valid I think.

May I ask you for an honest answer as to whether or not you agree with me on these opinions?
1. Oswald alone killed JFK
2. SS alone killed RFK
3. JER alone killed MLK
4. We landed on the Moon
5. There is no Loch Ness Monster or Alien bodies in the U.S. Southwest
6. Al Quieda was responsible for 9/11
7. FDR did not know that Pearl Harbor would be attacked.


Is it necessary to imply I might be a "conspiracy nut"? I keep an open mind about things and not dig in my heels insisting I am right, like some people I know.

1. Gerald Posner's book "Case Closed" convinced me that Oswald acted alone.
2. Never looked into it. Couldn't say
3. Same as #2
4. Yes
5. Either are possible but I don't find either probable.
6. Be more specific.
7. See #6
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:20 pm

jpete wrote:Is it necessary to imply I might be a "conspiracy nut"? I keep an open mind about things and not dig in my heels insisting I am right, like some people I know.


You are right & I apologize for jumping to a conclusion that was based solely on a suspicion, not evidence.
(putting on his "Dolt's Hat" )
I hadn't "thought through" what I was accusing you of being, but see it now)
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: BillMarti On: Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:22 pm

Devil,

Did you forget what the demicans are doing now who's pockets are their hands in now it's only been a couple of minutes. And no I don't remember mentioning the the republicrats are innocent so please stay on subject and stop implying what I meant. You continue to forget what I posted in prior posts. You need to work on you memory before you imply something.

Bill S.
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:26 pm

BillMarti wrote:Devil,

Did you forget what the demicans are doing now it's only been a couple of minutes. And no I don't remember mentioning the the republicrats are innocent so please stay on subject and stop implying what I meant. You continue to forget what I posted in prior posts. You need to work on you memory before you imply something.

Bill S.


It;'s already been pointed out that I am a DOLT tonight, so what do you expect from me?? ;)

Seriously, I have a very poor short term memory so please remind me what I missed?
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: Dann757 On: Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:29 pm

#1.

I don't know--- I heard the police radios blacked out for four minutes during the assassination. Then the morse code signal "v" for victory was heard.
The Mob, the Cubans, the Russkys, the military industrial complex, or LBJ maybe, huh?
The Zabruder film, a shot from behind making his head snap backward? The magic bullet.
Echo analysis, the cheap Italian rifle couldn't be reloaded fast enough....
Weird Soviet ties Oswald had, his travels, lots of crazy things.
Acted alone? I doubt it.......
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: BillMarti On: Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:30 pm

Devil,

Both parties put us here and the republicrats" were" wasteful but who's at the helm now.

Bill S.
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:33 pm

Dann757 wrote:#1.

I don't know--- I heard the police radios blacked out for four minutes during the assassination. Then the morse code signal "v" for victory was heard.
The Mob, the Cubans, the Russkys, the military industrial complex, or LBJ maybe, huh?
The Zabruder film, a shot from behind making his head snap backward? The magic bullet.
Echo analysis, the cheap Italian rifle couldn't be reloaded fast enough....
Weird Soviet ties Oswald had, his travels, lots of crazy things.
Acted alone? I doubt it.......



jpete wrote:1. Gerald Posner's book "Case Closed" convinced me that Oswald acted alone.


I suggest you ask jpete for Posner's book.
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:39 pm

BillMarti wrote:Devil,

Both parties put us here and the republicrats" were" wasteful but who's at the helm now.

Bill S.



If both parties put us here, why did the American electorate punish just the Republicans on 11/6/2008??.... & ......1 day after the spending bill was signed into law...& implying that the Democrats are now engaged in "Wasteful Spending" a fair judgment?
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