President Obama's Press Conference

Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: gaw On: Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:01 pm

This morning I was listening to the TV while doing other things so I’m not 100% sure which station was on but I think it was the ABC morning program. They reported some poll that most people don’t think the stimulus bill will do much good and especially would not help them personally. When the people surveyed found out that it was “Obama’s plan” then more people were in favor of it and again even though they did not believe it would help them personally. Cult of personality? This reminded me of this blast from the not too distant past.

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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:02 pm

Devil505 wrote:It has been said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing all the time & expecting different results! ;)


You mean like deficit spending?

How about More's Law? If some stimulus is good(GWB) more is better(BHO).

Tell me what the difference is Devil. I'd love to hear it.

I don't care how long and loud you crow, your boy is outspending the last 8 years in his first 100 days.
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:47 pm

jpete wrote:I don't care how long and loud you crow, your boy is outspending the last 8 years in his first 100 days.


Seems to me i was your guys that pushed spending Billions first. (Bush & his boy Paulson) Your candidate even suspended his campaign to make sure we socialized the debt of big business.As far as deficit spending...How did GW pay for the Iraq disaster again??
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Feb 14, 2009 10:02 pm

Devil505 wrote:
jpete wrote:I don't care how long and loud you crow, your boy is outspending the last 8 years in his first 100 days.


Seems to me i was your guys that pushed spending Billions first. (Bush & his boy Paulson) Your candidate even suspended his campaign to make sure we socialized the debt of big business.As far as deficit spending...How did GW pay for the Iraq disaster again??


MY candidate was Ron Paul/Chuck Baldwin so leave me out of your reindeer games.

And GWB "paid" for his wars the same way your guy plans on paying for his stuff. Printing Treasury bills and selling them to what ever sucker will buy them.

Right now our debt to GDP ratio is around 67%. If you were in debt nearly 70% of what your salary was, would you go take out a home equity loan?

Some people did and we saw how it turned out. Now, Obama is taking an equity loan on the whole damn country.

Tell me what's different?
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: jeromemsn On: Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:36 am

Jpete I agree. I don't think this country was founded for the President or the Congress to be spending money the way they are and on what they are spending it on without a national referendum and vote. This has gotten way out of control, way to fast, without anybody explaining anything to any of us. I know, I know we are the dummies and don't understand how any of this works and thats why we have to listen to the ones that got us here so they can get us out, wow that sure makes a lot of sense doesn't it. I don't care who, what, when, where, this has got to stop and stop now. We went from millions to billions and now to trillions of dollars in the blink of an eye and we are supposed to just sit back and enjoy the ride. How do you track such an amount of money, or should I say how do you loose track of such an amount of money. No matter how you want to say it the same idiots that broke the system are still breaking the system, oh and look we are all enjoying it. I have heard them talk of tax decreases for people and for industry for the poor and for the rich. I don't care how you cut it it takes so much money to do something unless you use inferior materials or less expensive labor, so if taxes do come down somebody is loosing there job and if not then they will use materials for the job that will need to be replaced in a few years instead of a few decades. It's a mess let if fall we are Americans we can pick up the pieces and rebuild if we know what needs to be rebuilt, but now we don't know what is what.
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: BillMarti On: Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:19 pm

Devil,

Here's another question you won't answer because you always fall back on your continual rant about this is all Bush's fault because of the last 8 year. Lets say that is true so now BO has the right to continue the bad decision making and increase our debt by more than 6x with interest included and thats being generous so you say lets give BO a chance. How stupid does that sound to continue something you continually rant and point fingers at. BO is more responsible for this mess than Bush is. How can you in any way justify spending this much money and it will not effect unemployment right now when we need jobs right now. Two to four years down the road will do no good we have bills today. If this is a sample of BO's leadership in the future how can we trust him seeing the damage he's caused so far. This should have been voted on by the people period no if ands or buts period. Lets take a look at GM and don't say BO did'nt have a part in it he agreed on it too 1st they beg for money 2nd they get it with no strings attached (how their spending it) 3rd about 2 weeks ago they lay off 2,000 people and shut down a few plants 4th now they have their hand out and were asked where the money is going and won't tell now their crying bankruptcy. Now isn't that what was said to them before they took the money ?????? So lets throw more money around that will serve no purpose today as usual. Again where's the money coming from and where's it going> I was taught in school 0-0=0 and that is still the case. If I'm 10,000 dollars in debt and I borrow 10,000 and not put it on my debt I'm 20,000 dollars in debt ain't I ????? How your math or did you learn that new democrat math it's all arbitrary. You are guilty from your own lips of doing the exact same things you accuse the republicrats of doing. Sorry it's hard to tell them apart sometimes. I am a republican but I did not vote to approve any of this debt thru my vote I expected my representative to voice my vote but obviously I need to watch my vote next time. We need people in office that will uphold the CONSTITUTION and not their personal agenda which means 90% need to go in the next election and 90% of government employees need to be eliminated. Then our debt will be manageable. Lets get Ron Paul in there next time and show them the witting on the wall.


Bill S
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: titleist1 On: Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:10 pm

Devil505 wrote:Seems to me i was your guys that pushed spending Billions first. (Bush & his boy Paulson) Your candidate even suspended his campaign to make sure we socialized the debt of big business.


Republicrats in Executive branch pushing first bailout.....BOTH candidates running to Wash to vote for it....demicans & republicrats in legislative branch approving it ......Demicans in Executive branch now pushing another bailout, demicans and republicrats in legislative branch approving it.....

Talk about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.................

'Splain to me again the difference between these two parties...criminals vs. crooks, or is it idiots vs. morons .. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:22 pm

I don't know how I ended up in a corner defending a big business bailout which, if you go back through my posts, I was against from the beginning! I am not an economist but am now simply saying that I intend to back my President since both sides originally felt that a massive spending bill was imperative, we have already tried the tax cut for the wealthy approach (with devastating results) & now most economists seem to back the current spending bill. I feel allot more comfortable following our new President than I do the congressional Republicans who simply want more of what we've tried & has failed & have suddenly found their fiscal responsibility just in time to be against anything a Democratic President proposes!
Do not ask me specific questions on how the bailout bill will work or fail..........I am simply flying on FAITH...& admit it!
My OPINION is we should back President Obama...You are entitled to your opinion & we won't know the answers for years.
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: KLook On: Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:36 pm

And I think he is a socialist and will not support him. And we agree on the bailout and stimulas plan. We cannot afford it. And don't give me a bunch of you are unpatriotic cr*p about not supporting him. I hope the wealthy and the business people in this country find a way to turn the economy around but it will be hard with more socialism in their wallets.

What happened to stockinful? You lost your wingman Devil. :lol:

Kevin
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:50 pm

KLook wrote:And don't give me a bunch of you are unpatriotic cr*p about not supporting him.


I have taken "cr*p" for over a year questioning my patriotism for not backing Bush so.... if you can't stand the heat...stay out of the "Off-Topic" kitchen! :P
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: beemerboy On: Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:09 pm

heatwithcoal wrote:Tell me again how putting billions of dollars into infrastructure and roads is going to help the (for example) 5K? people laid off from Microsoft? :mad: Do you suppose they know how to operate heavy machinery? Are they all going to pick up a shovel? I just don't get it, I guess.

Mark



A bridge being built means workers getting jobs. From the people designing it to the people building it. Add to that, the secretaries and the janitors in the office to the people making the steel and the concrete to the truckers hauling the materials now have work; not to leave out the food vendor with his "roach coach".

All these people now working on this bridge and it's various components and support positions now have money to spend on things like food, cars and yes, computers (which puts Microsoft to work). And the people that makes the cars now have money to by computers. Business that get the contracts to build the bridge and its components now have money to up-grade their computers putting Microsoft to work.

Multiply this by a couple of hundred bridges and a few thousand miles of road across the country and the effects are multiplied exponentially.

The point is putting people to work in one sector of the economy has far reaching effects in all areas of the economy.
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: LeonMSPT On: Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:16 pm

Obama should VETO that pig and send it back to congress to do better.

Should have been a package that more Democrats opposed, and more Republicans supported. They can, and should have, done better. This is a Liberal Democrat spending package, supported by the Democrats in lock step, and three Republican Senators who were promised who knows what, to break ranks.

Less giveaways and favors for political friends, supporters, and allies... less screwing for political enemies and opponents.

Not one slim dime for anything other than direct economic stimulus, with a mechanism for controlling fraud and deceit.
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: hugg On: Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:52 pm

I am with Devil. Support our president. McCain lost. Ron Paul lost. "Lead, Follow or Get out of the way" (i think Thomas Paine) :D
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: BillMarti On: Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:18 pm

Devil,


Point is you still back Bo even though BO's doing the exact same thing you accuse the republicrats of doing. Again how do you justify that. I just don't see how you can defend or support a person that won't keep his word 1 The repulicrats were not invited into writing the bill or any input regardless of disagreement, 2 They did not present the bill for the 5 days to the public to read it over as they were promised BEFORE IT IS VOTED ON , 3 It was pushed thru with a lot of pork which BO adamantly said would not happen. 4 There was absolutely no partisan participation because of #1. I could go on but history is history don't make promises you do not intend to keep and yes they all do it which doesn't make it OK. So please stop the old old rant BO's only been in office a few weeks give him a chance BO's done more damage in a very short period of time than both Bush's did in 16 years. Look how much money was thrown at GM and look now their going to claim bankruptcy which was said to have been done from the beginning so what is to become of that"loan" after bankruptcy can't wait to see what Chrysler or the banking people will do????? So tell me again where is the money coming from to give to pay for the infrastructure jobs that will magically appear from nowhere gee almost sounds like the big bang theory something from nothing. When you can tell me where the money is coming from I'll give BO a chance but right now all is I see is the CHANGE is coming from WE THE PEOPLES pockets. You got to admit that it's a FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And by the way I've written my senator Arlan Spector that I am ashamed of his abandonment of his party and voters and he lost my vote but he is one of yours isn't he?

Bill S.
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:30 pm

Talk about RANTS!

I've already explained my position BillMarti & why I hold it. You can rant & rave all you want but I intend to give President Obama a fair opportunity to fix the many disasters we find ourselves in. He has been in office less than a month & has 8 years of crap to fix.
Please address your future rants elsewhere as you will not change my mind & I have no clue what you hope to achieve by these rants of yours??.........Do You?

If this is not a satisfactory answer to you then by all means come to Flame Central to a thread I started called "Dunk The Devil" <removed link to FSC> & you can really rant at me there, if you choose :box: :devil:
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