President Obama's Press Conference

Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: KLook On: Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:13 pm

Confused Bill, do you think he is full of s**t or do you want to give him a chance? The numbers may not match the Great Depression but the country was not this far in debt back then. And all these give away programs had yet to be implemented. It was a much simpler economy and gov. budget situation.

Kevin
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: beemerboy On: Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:16 pm

jpete wrote:
What happened to all the money we paid to build and maintain roads through fuel taxes? Or maintain schools through our property taxes? I know my state takes out loans for big projects through bonds and the bonds are paid with my income taxes. Where'd that money go?

Does paying for infrastructure twice seem fiscally prudent to you? Only to have the government sell the roads to foreign countries and give them 99 year leases so they can charge you tolls for roads you already paid for?



Rather than blame the stimulus bill, try calling your state and local legislators and ask them how they are spending your money.

In Connecticut, the gas tax originally went to road maintenance but when the Republican Gov and legislators saw all that money sitting there they decided to have the law changed to put the money in with the general revenue.
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: BillMarti On: Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:47 pm

Klook.

It's sarcasm on my part. The rant give BO a chance amuses me to no end and to answer your question yes the more BO talks the greener my lawn. And yes it was a different time and the dollar was worth a lot more back then hence the comparison. I didn't write the articles I posted but they do apply to whats going on now. Sorry about the confusion.

Bill S.
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:18 pm

BillMarti wrote:Give BO a chance,

Bill S.



I did give him a chance and I got the largest spending bill in US history which even the Vice President says only has a 70% chance of being successful. The Congressional Budget Office gives it even a smaller chance then that of succeeding. That was his chance. Me, my kids and their kids will be paying for this for the rest of our lives. How many times do you expect me to allow him to screw me over? Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Do you realize that no one in Congress even read that bill? No one can read that fast! It was over 1100 hundred pages long and they were given less then 24 hours before it was brought to a vote. Why the hurry? The US economy is like a coal stove - it takes a while to react to changes. What about OHB's promise to put it on the internet so "We, the people" could read it. What about his promise to hold it for 5 days so Congress could appropriately go over it? Why did they jam it done our throats? No, OBH has had his chance.

Now he is seeking to push the "Censorship Bill" aka the Freedom Doctrine down our throats. All I can say is "We, the people" had better wake up. Lisa
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Feb 18, 2009 9:26 am

The man walked into all this mess when he took the oath. He took the advice of a lot of financial advisors, there are some that agree others do not, just like this thread. Only time will tell. The way I see it is it`s an ungodly amount of money but at least there is some accountablity for it, again time will tell. The Gov. gave the wall st. bankers almost as much as a gift, I guess for doing such a fine job. It seems to be the way things are when you make big money (ceo) you get a bonus for running a company down, when you work as say a waitress & do a lousy job you don`t get a tip. Where`s the justice? I would much rather have a pres. that tells me we`re in trouble (which most people hopefully already know) than one that tells me everything is just peachy.
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: BillMarti On: Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:48 am

BO knew exactly what he was walking into and if he didn't he's more of a fool than seems to be. We didn't need 90% of the pork bill (lies and favors) BO had a personal agenda when he took office-SOCIALISM and if anybody missed that get your head out of the sand. BO supported the tarp bill whole heartedly so don't forget that's 1.7 trillion dollars between the two bills more debt he had a part in. So lets give him a chance on how much more damage he can do. Every bill he has passed so far are blatantly violating WE THE PEOPLES constitutional rights. I don't believe any tax payers money should be used for somebody's bad decisions;abortion,shutting down conservative talk radio,abusing the welfare system (it is not an entitlement) and homosexual rights. I pay taxes to support maintenance of our infrastructure and the afore said have nothing to do with that. So now that we are buried in debt we can not ever get out of because of interest and more debt incurred by the operation of our wasteful government. So explain to me what has he done to improve the economy in the near future and explain where the moneys coming from. And please don't pick out one part of this post to comment on as I have noticed in prior posts I have made> I do not support BO or either partys insanity nor do I condone Bush's decisions that got us here. I do however support our REPUBLIC which is not supposed to reflect a democracy which is another can of worms and I support our BILL OF RIGHTS AND OUR CONSTITUTION. If there were people in our government that had the balls to uphold these documents we would'nt be having this conversation. Remember BO just recently made the statement that respecting the flag is patriotic He does have a rather large set doesn't he? Now I'm being sarcastic with this statement "Lets give BO a chance"

Bill S.
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: Jeddbird On: Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:23 pm

samhill wrote:The man walked into all this mess when he took the oath. He took the advice of a lot of financial advisors, there are some that agree others do not, just like this thread.


I agree with you samhill. Anyone who says they KNOW how this will all turn out is either kidding themselves or trying to kid us. Obama really just seeems to be following the original steps taken under the old administration. I have no idea if it will work or not but I'd rather follow Obama's leadership which at least he has attempted to be bip[artisan.
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: KLook On: Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:52 pm

Wow, he has attempted to be bipartisan? He basically called the repubs. in to tell them to get used to it, because the dems. wrote the bill and he was going to sign it. Thanks for the clarification Bill. I agree with you 100%. Those of us that believe in the origional constitution/bill of rights etc. are in for a long haul. Socialism is trendy right now. It is on the lips of all the trust fund babies who are more "enlightened" then I. They move way out here into the boonies constantly to escape NYC etc. and try to make it just like where they came from immediately.

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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: BillMarti On: Wed Feb 18, 2009 6:15 pm

Jeddbird said,
I have no idea if it will work or not but I'd rather follow Obama's leadership which at least he has attempted to be bip[artisan.

When did he invite anybody else to write this bill it is all written by the democrats for the democrats and benefits only the democrats. There is nothing in this bill that helps the jobless or the middle class it only helps the leeches that live on handouts which are the majority of the people that put BO in office. At least the republicans stood their ground knowing their jobs are in jeopardy in 2010. I don't trust any of them because they allowed this debt to happen. But if you want to believe the media and keep your head in the sand that your prerogative. OH you didn't hear this on the bipartisan news media today but peloski's visit with the pope didn't go so well he all but excommunicated her and she wouldn't interview with the media now she knows bad manners corrupt good morals. I guess she's a good example in her own eyes but the pope didn't put up with her belligerence what a rude awakening. The 3 republicans that defected are weasels.

Bill S.
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: beemerboy On: Wed Feb 18, 2009 9:58 pm

When did he invite anybody else to write this bill it is all written by the democrats for the democrats and benefits only the democrats.


Before anyone else buys into the myth that the Republicans had no say as what went into the stimulus bill.

I watched several hours of debate on C-Span and C-span2. During that time I was watching the Republicans offered up at least four amendments dealing with accountability of money spent, additional tax cuts and spending items, all of which were accepted in the bill.

Sen. Ted Stevens (R-AK) before he left office in January had several million dollars added to the stimulus bill to study the hibernation habits of bears.

Now several Republicans are bragging to their constituents about the things they have had added

Sen Kent Bond (R-Missouri) bragging about adding 700 housing units to the stimulus that will create 10,000 jobs in his district (even though he voted against it).
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: BillMarti On: Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:23 pm

beemerboy,

You need to learn to read and comprehend what I wrote. Regardless what was added after the fact, fact is the porkulus bill was already written by the demicans and no compromises were made to pass it. The is so much pork in there to hide the socialist agenda they could say they gave up a few things if they had to but they didn't. But if you had read all my posts this bill by the CONSTITUTION should have been voted on by WE THE PEOPLE not by BO or the demicans or the repulicrats. You think democracy the CONSTITUTION says republic if you don't know that recite the Pledge of Allegiance.

PS Can you say CRISIS the new politically correct buzz word.

Bill S.
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: stockingfull On: Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:59 am

Pork, schmork.

Every dollar which a state receives, whether or not earmarked, creates or saves a job or a family or a house from foreclosure. Those are the things that keep the economy percolating, which keeps the money flowing into the public's hands and out again for the goods others manufacture, or transport, or sell.

Does anybody here think there were any jobs in the $350 Billion which Bush and Paulson gave to the banks last year? That wasn't "pork?"

Right now, it doesn't matter whether it's "pork," or "beans," or "freedom fries," as long as it keeps the economy from cratering. And BTW, Kit Bond and the other GOP stalwarts are only too happy to trumpet how much of it is going to their districts, even though they voted against it. Real Profiles in Courage, these boyz. 8-)
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:25 am

I may be wrong here (happens enough) but if your talking about a bill proposed by a president being bi-partisan I kinda suppose that it would be & then both parties would have the chance in both houses to amend things they didn`t agree with & propose changes that they would like. Perhaps remove some or add some, which both parties had the chance to & in some parts did. Again it could just be me but I think the bill introduced by members of both parties jointly is rather rare. I also think that the memo that was leaked that all Rep,s should vote no on any Dem. bill (again if it`s true) should be an indication of which party isn`t willing to bend. Party lines should be forgotten & every bill considered on it`s own merit as being for the good of the country & not the party of choice.
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:42 am

samhill wrote:then both parties would have the chance in both houses to amend things they didn`t agree with & propose changes that they would like. Perhaps remove some or add some, which both parties had the chance to & in some parts did.


Absolutely correct Sam....& this bill had plenty of Republican changes & tax cuts added to appease Republicans.(too many in fact which will hurt the recovery efforts)
Funny but Republican Governors like the bill so it is bi-partisan & the Congressional Repubs, who refused to vote for it are now, like Stockingful points out.....happy to run home to claim credit for money going to their states...that they voted to reject!
Truly Un-American & points to how they don't really care about their country......just their "Country Clubs." (many of which wouldn't even allow their leader Michael Stephen Steele (new chairman of the RNC) to play golf at! :mad: )

I know this forum leans pretty heavily Republican but I suggest you start to work from the inside & change the trajectory of the CURRENT Republican party to something that is more in line with your traditions (No "Nation Building" that we can't afford, keeping jobs here in America, etc) & reflects what the average American voter wants, not what the corporate CEO's want.
(but hey.......It's your party & we Democrats will be more than happy to keep taking the Congressional seats that you guys are handing us!) :secret: :devil:
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Re: President Obama's Press Conference

PostBy: Ed.A On: Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:22 am

Well except for the drivel of 95% of Devils post, I agree that Conservatives must return to their roots. Snow, Collins and Spector need to be thrown out ASAP. As far as the reference to Mark Sanford, he has said that he will go through his allotment with a fine toothed Comb and take whats stimulative and throw back whats pork, didn't see any Dems on board with that. Sanford is close to Libertarian, just what this country needs now and in the future for our party.

Then again we can have more Democrats like Madoff.
Or howabout Allen Stanford (The FBI is investigating whether Stanford was involved in laundering drug money for Mexico's notorious Gulf Cartel. A video posted on the firm's web-site shows Stanford, now sought by U.S. Marshals, being hugged by Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and praised by former President Bill Clinton.)
You know ruin thousands of lives gaming the system as the anti-capitalists.....right? I love the class warfare Libtards use to bolster their lame postions, good little moonbats are for the poor and down trodden, Republicans are the counrty club class, they're mean. Get a grip.
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