Whattya mean you can't see smoke?

Whattya mean you can't see smoke?

PostBy: Freddy On: Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:06 am

How awful! Look at this horrid smoke belching from my hand fed Jamesway. That's anthracite burning. & I was told it made no smoke at all. Harumph! :)
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 130 (pea)
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Reading piece o' junk in the barn (rice)
Coal Size/Type: Pea size, Superior, deep mined

Re: Whattya mean you can't see smoke?

PostBy: whistlenut On: Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:15 am

The Black Suburbans/Tahoes are in route. Run to the sticks, as fast as you can. 'Al' is speeding your way in his hybrid, just to make an example of you! Folks like' you' are the reason folks like 'them' don't use reason! :roll: :D :shock: :oops:

PS: Has devil been up near Bangor? I see the gals from Maine are on the 'Stimulus Wagon'....riding very near the front of it!
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Re: Whattya mean you can't see smoke?

PostBy: Dann757 On: Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:16 am

It is obvious, that is Marlboro smoke. Your sheep have been smoking cigarettes in the lounge. The parents are the last to know....
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Re: Whattya mean you can't see smoke?

PostBy: Rob R. On: Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:53 am

Freddy, was the coal damp when you loaded the stove? My thinking is that you might be seeing a small amount of water vapor. Try opening the draft control for a few minutes to get the stove temp up and see how it looks.
Rob R.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
Coal Size/Type: Lehigh Rice
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: Whattya mean you can't see smoke?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:59 am

It's pretty obvious to me that Freddy doctored that photo up with Photoshop to add the smoke! :box: :devil:
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Re: Whattya mean you can't see smoke?

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:26 am

The one sheep with the tie-dyed shirt and curly hair is prolly smokin that left handed marlboro stuff and blowin it up the stack.... a maniac sheep BAAAAHhhhhhhh :P
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Freddy's Smoking Sheep

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:56 am

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Re: Whattya mean you can't see smoke?

PostBy: ken On: Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:15 pm

John , I bet you have a pic for every subject posted here. :D :D :D
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Re: Whattya mean you can't see smoke?

PostBy: Ashcat On: Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:07 pm

Interesting, Freddy. Since you personally own about 2% of the known supply of Superior coal :) , I assume you're burning Superior in your handfired. Of the 4 hard coal types I've burned so far, Superior was the only one that showed any sort of output from the chimney (and this was only for 5-10 minutes after loading--after that all was clear). It looked like a white smoke that dissipated quickly and might be mistaken for steam--in my judgment it may have contained some steam, but wasn't just steam. In other words, it looked to me much like what you show coming from your chimney. In any event, it wasn't a large amount and not bothersome, but it's interesting nonetheless.
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Re: Whattya mean you can't see smoke?

PostBy: efo141 On: Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:46 pm

I have light blue smoke and some vapor every time i load my hand fired boiler. If i open the over draft for the burn off period, no blue smoke just a little vapor but i do wet my coal to keep the dust down.
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Re: Whattya mean you can't see smoke?

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:26 pm

Ashcat wrote:It looked like a white smoke that dissipated quickly and might be mistaken for steam--in my judgment it may have contained some steam, but wasn't just steam.


You cannot see steam, it is invisable. If you see it, it is water vapor.
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Re: Whattya mean you can't see smoke?

PostBy: Freddy On: Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:53 pm

Yup, Superior Pea. It's not water as my coal is dryer than a popcorn fart. I took the Marlboros from the sheep when they added a buck to the tax so but I'm pretty sure what we're seeing is water vapor. It only does it when the temperature is below zero. Even dry coal has some water content doesn't it?
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 130 (pea)
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Reading piece o' junk in the barn (rice)
Coal Size/Type: Pea size, Superior, deep mined

Re: Whattya mean you can't see smoke?

PostBy: the snowman On: Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:01 pm

Freddy:
Everytime I load my Jotul up (using blaschak) I can see water vapor out my chimney until the stove comes up to temp and the water on the coal is gone. It usually only last no longer than five minutes. This only happens if I have the ash door open to quickly bring the stove up to temp. If I close the ash door and let it come up gradually I do not have any visible water vapor out the chimney. I thought you would have designed some kind of collector to capture the moisture vapor to extract any btu that might be left in it and redistribute it back into your house. Does this mean I have to come up with it instead? I'll come up with the solution and share it with you provided you share some of your Superior coal with me.

the snowman.
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Re: Whattya mean you can't see smoke?

PostBy: coal berner On: Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:09 pm

Freddy wrote:Yup, Superior Pea. It's not water as my coal is dryer than a popcorn fart. I took the Marlboros from the sheep when they added a buck to the tax so but I'm pretty sure what we're seeing is water vapor. It only does it when the temperature is below zero. Even dry coal has some water content doesn't it?

Anthracite does have water moisture in it less then 15% you are seeing water Vapor When the Temps are very low
outside like 0 and below or in the single digit. You will see it especially in a hand fed stove there is more heat all the
time unlike a stoker stove where it fires up and down. I have seen it with every brand of coal that I have burnt over 30.
Nothing but water Vapor. Or if you burn wood with coal then you will get smoke.
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Re: Whattya mean you can't see smoke?

PostBy: 009to090 On: Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:12 pm

Freddy, that smoke is not coming from the Anthracite. Its impurities and water vapor. Someone using your coal bin (or your stove?) as a garbage can????? :D

Chris F.
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