Residential cost for natural gas in Northeast Ohio?

Residential cost for natural gas in Northeast Ohio?

PostBy: lsayre On: Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:11 pm

Living in Northeast Ohio, but not having natural gas available where I live, I'm curious as to just what the going rate for natural gas is these days (with fracking and the glut)? I'd like to know how much less I could be spending if my home did have natural gas.

If you live outside of northeastern Ohio you are free to chime in here also, as it would be nice to know how Ohio is doing vs. other states for natural gas.
lsayre
 
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Re: Residential cost for natural gas in Northeast Ohio?

PostBy: SMITTY On: Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:19 pm

Too bad they don't bottle the stuff ....
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Re: Residential cost for natural gas in Northeast Ohio?

PostBy: Dennis On: Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:55 pm

SMITTY wrote:Too bad they don't bottle the stuff ....

is that even possible,everyone could benefit form NG
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Re: Residential cost for natural gas in Northeast Ohio?

PostBy: SMITTY On: Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:56 pm

Has to be compressed at MEGA high pressure, and has less BTU's than propane, so it's not very cost effective.
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Re: Residential cost for natural gas in Northeast Ohio?

PostBy: McGiever On: Wed Feb 06, 2013 8:38 pm

SMITTY wrote:Has to be compressed at MEGA high pressure, and has less BTU's than propane, so it's not very cost effective.


The people in China who will receive all the tanker ships laden w/ our Liquid Natural Gas probably won't mind the cost. :roll:
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Re: Residential cost for natural gas in Northeast Ohio?

PostBy: SMITTY On: Wed Feb 06, 2013 8:44 pm

We need to come up with a cheap, portable cryo unit for the backyard. :idea:
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Re: Residential cost for natural gas in Northeast Ohio?

PostBy: rockwood On: Wed Feb 06, 2013 8:52 pm

http://www.eia.gov/naturalgas/monthly/

Scroll down to #20 for residential price tables.

Utah is usually among the lowest in cost, but coal is a bit cheaper still 8-)
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Re: Residential cost for natural gas in Northeast Ohio?

PostBy: SMITTY On: Wed Feb 06, 2013 8:59 pm

MA looks like $14 per thousand cubic feet. Average price over past few years across the country looks to be about $11.

Check out HI - $55!! Good thing it never gets cold there ... Goes to show they got you over a barrel one way or the other.
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Re: Residential cost for natural gas in Northeast Ohio?

PostBy: lsayre On: Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:17 pm

Wow, the residential average November 2012 price in Ohio was only $9.05 per MCF (1,000 cubic feet). At that rate and assuming that 94% efficient gas boilers and furnaces are available, that makes my coal boiler roughly 90% more expensive to operate, given the efficiencies that I've measured for coal, and the delivered price here. It sure would be nice to have NG.

PS: This morning the Plant Engineer where I work was telling me that the company is only currently paying somewhere in the $4 range for NG. Amazing.
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Re: Residential cost for natural gas in Northeast Ohio?

PostBy: lsayre On: Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:58 pm

I just saw the current N/E Ohio residential rate for natural gas, and it is $5.19 per MCF. This probably doesn't include the added distribution and service fees, but it sure makes burning anthracite mighty expensive by comparison here in Ohio. Oh that I had NG, but alas I do not.
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Re: Residential cost for natural gas in Northeast Ohio?

PostBy: Willis On: Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:07 pm

Larry, Nat Gas heat sucks at any price, too uneven. I uses the gas furnace in the buffer seasons when it is easier than keeping fire going. Just looked at my bill and I am paying 4.77 MCF for gas but when you add all of the other fees they are more than the gas cost. My January bill was for 27 CCF , customer charges and taxes were $23 and gas supply cost was $13.79. So my cost was actually 13.63MCF! I only use gas in the winter for hot water and cooking. I looked at my moms bill as she uses gas to heat with and including all of the fees she is paying 6.10 MCF
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Re: Residential cost for natural gas in Northeast Ohio?

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:02 pm

Not to worry the price will soon be going up, they are going to put in a pipeline from close to the Ohio/Pa. line Houston, Pa (I believe) 50 miles to connect to an existing pipeline that will take it to a foundry site on the East coast to then be shipped to Europe where they will pay. That's why they have capped many wells that have already been drilled. http://pipeline.post-gazette.com/news/d ... -in-europe
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Re: Residential cost for natural gas in Northeast Ohio?

PostBy: Rick 386 On: Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:34 pm

Not residential but my commercial useage here at the shop.

11/7 ---- 12/10 95 Ccf = $ 124.51 which equates to 1.31/Ccf
12/10----- 1/13 219 Ccf = $ 251.73 which equates to 1.15/Ccf

I should get the next bill any day now for the January useage including that really cold week.


Now those prices above include taxes including sales tax that I have to pay + all of the distribution and other fees.


Before the really cold snap (like back in Nov.) I was going through 100 lbs/day @ 13.00/bag I just wanted to see what it would cost me for the gas service as the owner could not tell me. He had a powder coating operation in here before me for 15 years and would freeze until he opened the doors of his oven from the first batch. That 400* air would heat the place up real quick.


So now for me it is cheaper to use the gas here at work. Plus I can set back the temps because the gas is so much faster to heat back up.

I just bought a Honeywell WIFI thermostat so I will be able to control the temps from anywhere I have phone service.




Rick
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Re: Residential cost for natural gas in Northeast Ohio?

PostBy: HardWood1789 On: Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:55 am

I had the same question so I built a calculator. My only heating options where I live was Propane, Electricity, Fuel Oil, firewood, or coal. Went with coal.
Cost per MM BTU Appliance %E Per Year Per Month
Coal, Bituminous $95.00 per Ton X 0.042 ` $3.96 70% $665 $55.42
Coal, Anthracite $250.00 per Ton X 0.042 = $10.42 85% $1,441 $120.10
Natural Gas $1.40 per Therm X 12.50 = $17.50 95% $2,166 $180.53
Cord Wood $200.00 per Cord X 0.073 = $14.60 60% $2,862 $238.47
Pellets $245.00 per Ton X 0.089 = $21.81 80% $3,205 $267.11
Electricity $0.10 per KWH X 293.00 = $29.30 95% $3,627 $302.25
No. 2 Oil $3.25 per Gallon X 9.61 = $31.23 80% $4,591 $382.60
Propane $2.85 per Gallon X 13.32 = $37.96 90% $4,960 $413.36
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