What Brand of Stoker Stove is Best

Re: What Brand of Stoker Stove is Best

PostBy: waldo lemieux On: Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:57 am

Cap'n

As CK pointed out , using a stoker boiler and an heating coil is absolutely the way to go. As he pointed you can use a indirect for your DHW .Too if down the line the need arises for say heat in your garage or detached workshop or studio or whatever , running a couple of pipes is way easier and you couldn't even use hot air in a garage as an air return from a garage is a large no no :nono: Bottom line is putting heat where you want it is way easier with hot water. Put a stoker in your garage or a separate room off your garage and keep in mind coal delivery, storage and ash removal disposal, all much eaiser when your starting with a blank slate.... you dawg :D

Regards ,

Waldo
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Re: What Brand of Stoker Stove is Best

PostBy: SMITTY On: Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:39 am

Won't need a heating coil if you have a boiler & a indirect unit. :idea:
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - custom built by Jim Dorsey
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (not currently in use)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler

Re: What Brand of Stoker Stove is Best

PostBy: waldo lemieux On: Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:45 am

Smitty,

The captain wants to use a heat pump for backup heating and ac so his main delivery system in forced air, hence the heat coil in the ductwork to allow the use of a boiler. :)

Waldo
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Re: What Brand of Stoker Stove is Best

PostBy: SMITTY On: Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:26 am

But for an INDIRECT boiler for DHW usage, it gets plumbed into the boiler as it's own zone. The use of a heat pump or forced air is irrelevant to that.
SMITTY
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - custom built by Jim Dorsey
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (not currently in use)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler

Re: What Brand of Stoker Stove is Best

PostBy: waldo lemieux On: Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:43 am

SMITTY wrote:Won't need a heating coil if you have a boiler & a indirect unit. :idea:

The" heating coil" is placed in the ductwork of forced air system (the same as a refrigeration coil) and is run on a zone in the boiler loop the same as a zone for the indirect Dhw maker and any other zone that may be needed. If you dont use a heating coil in the forced air system how would the boiler heat the house? :?

Waldo
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Stove/Furnace Make: efm
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Re: What Brand of Stoker Stove is Best

PostBy: SMITTY On: Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:41 pm

Your not understanding what I'm trying to say here. YOU DO NOT NEED ANYTHING hooked to forced hot air to run an INDIRECT BOILER for DHW. Your making this waay more complicated than it needs to be. I'm talking about DOMESTIC HOT WATER - nothing to do with heating your home.

YES - you need the water-to-air exchanger in a forced air system for HEAT, to heat your house - that has NOTHING to do with DHW. One, or more zones are for HEAT, other zone is for the indirect.
SMITTY
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - custom built by Jim Dorsey
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (not currently in use)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler

Re: What Brand of Stoker Stove is Best

PostBy: waldo lemieux On: Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:52 pm

Smitty,


Captain Michael wrote:Hey everyone, I have a question. I currently have a keystoker 90 with a coal trol and 6 inch collar for the blower piped into the cold air return. Works great! The stove is in the basement of a 1040 ft. split entry. It works so well I ripped out the oil furnace and replaced it with an electric heat pump figuring to only use the electric if I was out of town. I have not had to use the electric yet this winter.
Now the question. We are building a new home this spring. 2600 square foot 1.5 story. It will be well insullated and tight. My property does not have access to natual gas so the primary HVAC system will need to be something else. I was dumb once but not twice so oil is out. Propane is also out. I have decided to go back to the well and install an electric heat pump. Of course it will not get much use because I also be putting in a coal unit. I am thinking Koker with a coal trol ducted into the HVAC system. What do you guys think? Am I thinking right? Also I will be building a new chimney. The Koker has 6 inch flue. What would be the optimum size flue liner? I am not going to do anything with a boiler lets just stay with forced air.


To this CK replied

coalkirk wrote:Just because you want you use forced air doesn't mean you cant take advantage of the efficiency of a coal boiler. I would do the heat pump and have a water to air heat exchanger installed in the duct work. The benefits are more efficiency AND it can do your domestic hot water.
heat exchanger.jpg

Here's what it would look like. Also this will heat your home very evenly and not dry it out as much as a radiant stove would.



To that I added
waldo lemieux wrote:Cap'n

As CK pointed out , using a stoker boiler and an heating coil is absolutely the way to go. As he pointed you can use a indirect for your DHW .Too if down the line the need arises for say heat in your garage or detached workshop or studio or whatever , running a couple of pipes is way easier and you couldn't even use hot air in a garage as an air return from a garage is a large no no :nono: Bottom line is putting heat where you want it is way easier with hot water. Put a stoker in your garage or a separate room off your garage and keep in mind coal delivery, storage and ash removal disposal, all much eaiser when your starting with a blank slate.... you dawg :D

Regards ,

Waldo


The term "indirect dhw" means a tank with a water to water heat exchanger. There is no such term as "indirect boiler". Of COURSE you cant use any type of forced air system to make hot water nor do you need to use a coal boiler to make heat for a heat pump. The idea here is to use the ductwork from the heatpump/ac system to distribute heat made by a coal boiler ( via a heating coil in said ductwork) and using the same coal boiler to also make Dhw with a INDIRECT DHW tank. Essentially you wind up with ground source cooling in the summer, coal boiler for heat and hot water and the same ground source unit for backup heat in the winter. There is no way anyone would go to the expense of installing a coal stoker just for dhw. Its not that complicated,

SMITTY wrote:Your not understanding what I'm trying to say here. YOU DO NOT NEED ANYTHING hooked to forced hot air to run an INDIRECT BOILER for DHW. Your making this waay more complicated than it needs to be. I'm talking about DOMESTIC HOT WATER - nothing to do with heating your home.

YES - you need the water-to-air exchanger in a forced air system for HEAT, to heat your house - that has NOTHING to do with DHW. One, or more zones are for HEAT, other zone is for the indirect.


CM asked about using coal a FURNACE or Some coalburing thing hooked to the ductwork of a electric heatpump, as a backup for his new house. He went on to say he didnt want to get involved with a boiler. Ck pointed that boilers and forced air are not mutually exclusive; saying that you could use a stoker boiler and a coil in your ductwork for heat and get dhw to boot .I was merely agreeing that said system works great for people that want ac which requires ductwork. The other option ( which is what CM was driving at) would be to use a coal FURNACE to make heat for your house using the heatpump /ac ductwork to distribute the heat made by the coal FURNACE. The point I was making here is that while you can make hot air you CANT MAKE DHW WITH A COAL FURNACE. With a COAL BOILER , AN INDIRECT DHW TANK and an HEATING COIL you can while using your heatpump as backup heat in the winter and ac in the summer. :roll:

:love:

Waldo
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Re: What Brand of Stoker Stove is Best

PostBy: SMITTY On: Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:55 pm

OMG .......... really Waldo???

waldo lemieux wrote: ........ There is no such term as "indirect boiler" .....


http://www.amtrol.com/boilermate.htm

I don't have the time to read 18 pages of text over this. I stand by my previous statements 100%. I know the difference between a boiler & furnace - this ain't my first rodeo.

Carry on ....... :doh:
SMITTY
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - custom built by Jim Dorsey
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (not currently in use)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler

Re: What Brand of Stoker Stove is Best

PostBy: franco b On: Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:30 pm

If you heat a boiler indirectly with a coil from a stove then it is an indirect boiler. i think that is what Smitty meant.
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Re: What Brand of Stoker Stove is Best

PostBy: McGiever On: Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:45 pm

Maybe *Smitty* is recommending an indirect hot water heater w/ it's own zone off a boiler...
as opposed to a tankless coil inside the boiler. ;)
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Stoker Coal Boiler: AXEMAN-ANDERSON 130 "1959"
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Re: What Brand of Stoker Stove is Best

PostBy: SMITTY On: Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:08 pm

YES to all. THANK YOU! :lol:

I always called it an indirect-fired boiler, but I always referred to DHW so I figured it was understood. I'll go by the book from now on - Indirect Water Heater. Got it! :lol: ............ :out:
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - custom built by Jim Dorsey
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (not currently in use)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler

Re: What Brand of Stoker Stove is Best

PostBy: captcaper On: Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:35 am

I'm leaning to go from a Harman Mark III to a Stoker. Lot's of traveling to see them as I live way up Northern NH. But LL seems like it's a great unit and not far from me as well as Harman's. What's the price difference average between the LL and Harman. Lot's of posts claim they are less $ and service is great.
My Harman MarkIII has been a great unit.
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Re: What Brand of Stoker Stove is Best

PostBy: coalkirk On: Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:29 am

My Harman boiler has been great. No complaints. But if I had to start all over again knowing what I know now, I'd go with the LL. First it's got more capacity. But just as important is the fact that the guys who own and operate LL are coal forum brothers. They bought the company taking huge personal financial risk I would assume. They added boilers to the product line and have a record of customer service that I don't believe any other company can touch. Just my biased opinion.
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Re: What Brand of Stoker Stove is Best

PostBy: captcaper On: Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:48 pm

I would like to see the Leisure Line for sure...who are the "brothers" maybe I can PM them for dealer location near me. And get an idea on which model to get.

jim
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Re: What Brand of Stoker Stove is Best

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:56 am

captcaper wrote:I would like to see the Leisure Line for sure...who are the "brothers" maybe I can PM them for dealer location near me. And get an idea on which model to get.

jim

:angel: I am the good one. :D
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