Commiting the ultimate mortal sin with a Glenwood Baseburner

Commiting the ultimate mortal sin with a Glenwood Baseburner

PostBy: Gary1 On: Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:27 pm

Recently I was watching several videos on You Tube about the Glenwood Baseburner which was very interesting. The person explained all the features and benefits of the unit very well. I'm not sure if it was a #6 or a #8. I happen to like this stove very much, and have some questions regarding it. First, he stated that when burning coal it has an efficiency rating of about 90 to 95 %. It this accurate? What is the efficiency rating on modern coal stoves? What kind of BTUs does it produce? NOW FOR THE MORTAL SIN PART. NO, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT CRUSHING IT AND SELLING IT FOR SCRAP: It's capable of burning wood. When doing so, what would you expect it's efficiency rating to be, percentage wise? Woudl it drop to say 80 to 83% like most modern wood stoves, or worse? Would the stove still give the benefit of the baseburner tubes recirculating the gasses and air like when burning coal? Would it produce much more smoke that a modern wood stove? What do you think the BTUs would be when burning wood? How long would it burn if filled up with good hard wood? I thank you in advance and look forward to your replies.
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Re: Commiting the ultimate mortal sin with a Glenwood Baseburner

PostBy: McGiever On: Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:13 pm

Creosote will be produced in great abundance throughout the whole stove.

You know, creosote condenses if the temp. is not held really high. I think even if not switched into base burner mode it would be big time dirty inside.

Coal wins every time when compared to wood...especially if you want equally high btu output along with high efficiency.

Sell the dang wood and go buy coal. ;)
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Re: Commiting the ultimate mortal sin with a Glenwood Baseburner

PostBy: Wanna Bee On: Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:49 am

Your going to see fifteen minute burn times with wood, Scary hot fires.

Coal stoves use under-fire air, (not good for wood) where wood appliances feed combustion air from above. Wood WILL burn in your/a Glennwood but it will be a very frustrating experience to say the least.

Welcome to the forum, and if your in pensyltucky... Go get some black rocks and leave the wood for the less fortunate.
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Re: Commiting the ultimate mortal sin with a Glenwood Baseburner

PostBy: dcrane On: Sat Jul 20, 2013 6:41 am

the man you watched on utube happens to be one of our close friends here at nepacrossroads (his name is William) and I'm sure he can elaborate for you as soon as he views this thread... but I can offer some basic's:

One of the main advantages of the Glenwood Baseburner is the fact that its a coal stove able to maintain a coal fire at extreme low temps (The reason it has this ability is because it recirculates hot gases around the coalbed the way it does, this heat is REQUIRED for a coal fire! a coalbed has a definitive minimum temp. requirement to maintain itself).
I don't believe their is a reason why you would have to burn wood in a stove like this even in spring/fall. The efficiency rating of modern coal stoves cant compete with a design like this because not only is that Glenwood of the design that has long been known to be the best for coal burning (tall, cylindrical, air from bottom, etc.) but it combines this design with an incredibly thin wall combustion chamber (do to the slight space between the firebrick and barrel) able to radiate heat incredibly well, it also employs a blower that takes zero electricity (those rings are their for a reason... as heat radiates of the base and combustion chamber it rises to hit those rings which deflect it out into the living space), You can also think of it as the first convection stove as well (but the convection takes zero electricity!)... because of its tall hood area that fills with gases and burns and this air is then recirculated around the stove so all the wonderful heat from it is sucked into the living area BEFORE it ever gets near the flu and out your chimney.

No sir... It would cost a lot of money to replicate a stove like that today (easy for china to make a knock off Oak or Cannon Stove)... but not one of those Glenwood Baseburners ;) William can give you more info than I.... but in terms of efficiency it cant be beat by anything I know of today.
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Re: Commiting the ultimate mortal sin with a Glenwood Baseburner

PostBy: Gary1 On: Sat Jul 20, 2013 1:25 pm

Thanak you very much for your input. I really apprciate it. I'll have more questions later...Gary
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Re: Commiting the ultimate mortal sin with a Glenwood Baseburner

PostBy: wsherrick On: Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:41 am

Hi, thanks for watching the videos. I hope you enjoyed them and found them informative.
Now I have two questions for you. Do you have a Glenwood yet?
And next: Why in the world would you want to burn wood in it?
Coal is such a superior fuel to wood. There is no comparison. There is lots of information here about Glenwoods and other similar base heaters. They are the pinnacle of stove development. To obtain one and learn how to use it is a most worthy goal.
We will be happy to answer any questions you might have.
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Re: Commiting the ultimate mortal sin with a Glenwood Baseburner

PostBy: Gary1 On: Sun Jul 21, 2013 1:35 pm

I'd like to thank you all for your input. With regards to the two questions asked by wsherrick, no I haven't bought a Glenwood unit or anything else yet. Secondly, I get my wood for free from my own property. When I get a chance, soon, I'd like to detail my situation with our home and ask for advice on supplemental heat. Thank you all once again for your help...Gary
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Re: Commiting the ultimate mortal sin with a Glenwood Baseburner

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sun Jul 21, 2013 1:51 pm

Whoops, just read this:)
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Re: Commiting the ultimate mortal sin with a Glenwood Baseburner

PostBy: carlherrnstein On: Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:45 pm

Cut the wood and sell it to buy coal :D
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Re: Commiting the ultimate mortal sin with a Glenwood Baseburner

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:49 pm

If you are burning wood in this stove there is Sum Ting Wong. I just wonder who gave you that wood idea Ho Lee Fu k it's criminal. If you don't attend the fire regularly with wood the bed will get Wi Tu Lo!"

... and so a new language is born they might as well add it to Rogets Thesaurus. As the TV station never said it they can't copyright it.
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Re: Commiting the ultimate mortal sin with a Glenwood Baseburner

PostBy: dcrane On: Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:16 pm

I happen to have a beautiful Glenwood 111 baseburner stacked and archived my garage just for you if you want ;)
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Re: Commiting the ultimate mortal sin with a Glenwood Baseburner

PostBy: dlj On: Sat Jul 27, 2013 2:05 pm

Gary1 wrote:Recently I was watching several videos on You Tube about the Glenwood Baseburner which was very interesting. The person explained all the features and benefits of the unit very well. I'm not sure if it was a #6 or a #8. I happen to like this stove very much, and have some questions regarding it. First, he stated that when burning coal it has an efficiency rating of about 90 to 95 %. It this accurate? What is the efficiency rating on modern coal stoves? What kind of BTUs does it produce? NOW FOR THE MORTAL SIN PART. NO, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT CRUSHING IT AND SELLING IT FOR SCRAP: It's capable of burning wood. When doing so, what would you expect it's efficiency rating to be, percentage wise? Woudl it drop to say 80 to 83% like most modern wood stoves, or worse? Would the stove still give the benefit of the baseburner tubes recirculating the gasses and air like when burning coal? Would it produce much more smoke that a modern wood stove? What do you think the BTUs would be when burning wood? How long would it burn if filled up with good hard wood? I thank you in advance and look forward to your replies.


Gary1,

I heated my house for years with my Glenwood #6 on wood before I went over to coal. No, they do not match modern wood stoves in efficiency when burning wood. I would never go back to burning wood in my Glenwood. If I were to - for reasons I can't even imagine at the moment - go back to wood, I'd take the Glenwood out and put in another stove. They are fussy burning wood, especially during start-up. Yes, you can get some benefit from the base heater but it's really not much. When I was burning wood, I also used numerous other wood burning stoves, the Glenwood was not a great performer on that fuel. Works, I could keep a wood fire for 8 to 10 hours in it, of course that's popping the top lid and cramming as much wood inside it as I could possibly stuff in it. I'd never do it again. If you are seriously aimed at burning wood - get a good modern wood burning stove. They make really excellent ones now. There are no antique wood burning stoves that meet or exceed the modern stoves.

dj
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Re: Commiting the ultimate mortal sin with a Glenwood Baseburner

PostBy: Gary1 On: Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:38 am

DJ,

Thanks for your response. I was surprised that you got 10-12 hours of burn time with wood in your Genwood. Others responded that it would only be about 15 minutes with tons of creosote produced. Perhaps they were exagerating. At any rate, I see that coal is the best fuel for that unit. Thanks again, Gary
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Re: Commiting the ultimate mortal sin with a Glenwood Baseburner

PostBy: dlj On: Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:21 pm

Gary1 wrote:DJ,

Thanks for your response. I was surprised that you got 10-12 hours of burn time with wood in your Genwood. Others responded that it would only be about 15 minutes with tons of creosote produced. Perhaps they were exagerating. At any rate, I see that coal is the best fuel for that unit. Thanks again, Gary


Gary,

I didn't say 10 to 12 hours...

I burned wood for years. I never had a creosote problem. But I always burned well seasoned hard wood, never softwoods or green or wet wood. If you burn dry, well seasoned hardwood creosote isn't a problem. I consider well seasoned to be a minimum of three years of dry interior storage.

The horror stories of burning wood - Well, remember, you're asking a question on a coal forum.... Do bear in mind, when I'm talking I could get 8 to 10 hours of burn time with wood, I was opening both front doors, totally filling the fire box, closing them, then opening the top of the stove and stuffing the entire inside of that stove with wood. I would then bank the the stove down so it wasn't burning real hot. I had to keep my plants and pipes from freezing. It would be pretty cool in the house when I'd get up, but I'd still have a fire and could re-stoke the fire from the remaining coals. Same routine coming home from work. I'd walk into a pretty cool house but would still have a fire. Compare that with shaking and filling once every 12 hours with coal, and the house is the same temperature the whole time. Going longer than 12 hours is also easy to do, but now, I don't... I can't imagine ever going back to wood with one of these old stoves....

dj
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