New Boiler Keystoker or Leisure Line

New Boiler Keystoker or Leisure Line

PostBy: BigJohn On: Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:04 pm

Need your opinions. I will be replacing the oil fired boiler with coal. I have a 122,000 BTU unit now that does the job. I'm comparing the KA6 and the LL110. What do you guys think?
BigJohn
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Leisure Line Pioneer X2
Coal Size/Type: Rice

Re: New Boiler Keystoker or Leisure Line

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:14 pm

How much oil do you use per season?
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite
Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace

Re: New Boiler Keystoker or Leisure Line

PostBy: BigJohn On: Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:19 pm

I can't compare oil use. I use a LL Pioneer to heat the house with the oil. Looking to compare the Keystoker to the LL
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Leisure Line Pioneer X2
Coal Size/Type: Rice

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Re: New Boiler Keystoker or Leisure Line

PostBy: Rob R. On: Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:45 pm

Fuel use is one indicator of load.

You will need to figure out if you need the extra capacity of the KA-6.
Rob R.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: New Boiler Keystoker or Leisure Line

PostBy: Pacowy On: Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:36 pm

As I read the LL website, it says the 110 boiler has 110k input btu and is 86+% efficient, so I would infer that the gross heat output is 95+k btu/hr. The KA-6 is much bigger, with a gross output of 144k btu/hr, which translates to total theoretical capacity (including pick-up) of 960 s.f. of hot water radiation, net theoretical capacity of about 813 s.f. and a recommended load of 675 s.f. On a comparable basis, 95k btu/hr would translate to a total theoretical capacity of about 633 s.f. and net theoretical capacity of about 537 s.f.. I haven't found an LL recommended load.

A reasonable first step would be to add up your s.f. of installed radiation and assess any DHW load faced by the boiler to see whether the LL is able to carry the combined load. My initial concern would be that the LL might be too small, but if the oil boiler is oversized relative to the load that might not be the case.

Mike
Pacowy
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: H.B. Smith 350 Mills boiler/EFM 85R stoker
Coal Size/Type: Buckwheat/anthracite

Re: New Boiler Keystoker or Leisure Line

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:59 pm

KA4 perhaps?
Carbon12
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite
Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace

Re: New Boiler Keystoker or Leisure Line

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:18 pm

Can You Keep the Oil Fired Boiler as a Back-Up if you called away from Home for an extended length of time? I don't think you can go wrong with taking a Good,Hard Look at the Leisure Line Of Equipment. The Backing that you get from the Owners,Flyer 5 and Mathaus,who are Active Members on this Board is unequalled ! No Bull! It's your money,have Faith in what you get for it....Welcome to the Coal Board! :up:
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Harman 1998 Magnum Stoker
Coal Size/Type: Rice-A-Roni !

Re: New Boiler Keystoker or Leisure Line

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:22 pm

Sorry,BigJohn,you've been around since 2008! I'm totally in "Welcoming The New Folks In"Mode and got carried away ! By the way,Nice Old Firehouse Pic! Near and always Dear to my Pathetic Heart! :dancing:
Hambden Bob
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Harman 1998 Magnum Stoker
Coal Size/Type: Rice-A-Roni !

Re: New Boiler Keystoker or Leisure Line

PostBy: BigJohn On: Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:43 pm

Pacowy
I will measure the sf of radiation. Before I had the coal stoker the oil burner never had a issue with keeping the heat up.So my guess is 122,000 is oversize.

Carbon 12
I didn't see a KA 4 on Keystokes site. That's why I was looking at the 6

Hambden Bob
The LL has the oil burner with it duel fuel and the Keystoker has a option for one. My thinking was to remove the current oil burner. Not a lot of space in these coal town house basements.
I am aware of LL and there service. I have two LL stoves running now. House and garage with no problems at all for years.
BigJohn
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Leisure Line Pioneer X2
Coal Size/Type: Rice

Re: New Boiler Keystoker or Leisure Line

PostBy: anthony7812 On: Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:03 pm

http://keystoker.com/new.php

scroll down on that page
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Stoker Coal Boiler: VanWert VA 400
Coal Size/Type: Buck/Nut/Anthracite

Re: New Boiler Keystoker or Leisure Line

PostBy: BigJohn On: Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:13 pm

Anthony 7812
Thank you for that info. I didn't see that before Might be just the right one. That is what makes this forum great.
Thank you
BigJohn
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Leisure Line Pioneer X2
Coal Size/Type: Rice

Re: New Boiler Keystoker or Leisure Line

PostBy: anthony7812 On: Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:14 pm

Ive been drooling over boilers as of late, glad I could help a little :D
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Stoker Coal Boiler: VanWert VA 400
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Re: New Boiler Keystoker or Leisure Line

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:34 am

Carbon12
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite
Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace

Re: New Boiler Keystoker or Leisure Line

PostBy: Dirty Steve On: Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:02 pm

Over $6000. :shock: My KA-6 was $4500 in the summer- 3-4 years back.

Big John. Is your current set updoing the hot water also? You may want to go with the KA-6. It's been bullet proof for me so far. I'm very happy they did not have the KA- 4 when I was looking. It probably would not have been enough for me this year being as cold as it has been.

Boiler in basement of 4 year old modular (3500 square feet plus 1700 square foot unfinished basement that gets up to 76degrees from boiler radiation ;) )with good insulation and windows and doing the hot water. 7.5 tons a year. As they say.... your mileage may very!
Dirty Steve
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Other Heating: Oil- Off line
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker
Stove/Furnace Model: KA-6

Re: New Boiler Keystoker or Leisure Line

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:07 pm

I got my used, 4 year old KA6 last summer for $2000.00. I talked the guy down from $3000.00. His girlfriend didn't like the smell,.....outside! He was going to instal some sort of wood burning system. I bet he regrets selling the coal boiler now! :lol:
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite
Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace

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