Carbon Monoxide Problem
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its brand new
Good idea though. It is one of the reasons I have two digital monitors in the house along with the other smoke/CO combo alarms. Ya never know if one might go bad and I would hate to have that as my only monitoring device. Also having two CO monitors allows one to be newer and one to be older since they have a shelf life they both don't get old at the same time. I am due to replace the older one this year at clock fall back weekend.
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I'm still puzzled
Defective gaskets is not the reasons the CO is pushed out, remember it's supposed to be negative pressure inside the stove.
If anything, defective gaskets will allow excess over the fire air into the stove...but to push out past a defective gasket it could be a couple things.
1.) Stove is running at a slightly positive pressure (pressurized)
2.) Chimney has not warmed enough to provide strong enough Negative draft
3.) Something is restricting a clear exhaust path out of the stove.
4.) All of the above
Looking at the posted picture, I see a TriBurner stylestoker w/ a separate feed motor and a separate blower motor, there is no air adjustment for the combustion air.
Another potential problem that needs investigated is how does that fan look up under the TriBurner? (want to add that picture?)
With that bottom stove pipe collar passing very near and directly by the stoker mechanism there can be issues.
The squirrel cage fan wheel, up under, were sometimes made of plastic, which when everything worked fine is never an issue. But alas, if the fan were to stall or even if it didn't stall but the exhaust were very hot and fan stopped from any reason, that plastic wheel will melt and become deformed.
Stove would perform poorly overall but definitely would not be pushing normal air through grates or warming up the chimney for an increased draft...hmmm, maybe some CO gets by gaskets.
By all means fix the gasket...but something else is wrong here.
By locking in the CO positive pressure with tight gaskets is not a total fix.
Got to get it slightly negative inside the stove fire box.
A nice warm chimney and a manometer can show that this is happening or not.
Defective gaskets is not the reasons the CO is pushed out, remember it's supposed to be negative pressure inside the stove.
If anything, defective gaskets will allow excess over the fire air into the stove...but to push out past a defective gasket it could be a couple things.
1.) Stove is running at a slightly positive pressure (pressurized)
2.) Chimney has not warmed enough to provide strong enough Negative draft
3.) Something is restricting a clear exhaust path out of the stove.
4.) All of the above
Looking at the posted picture, I see a TriBurner stylestoker w/ a separate feed motor and a separate blower motor, there is no air adjustment for the combustion air.
Another potential problem that needs investigated is how does that fan look up under the TriBurner? (want to add that picture?)
With that bottom stove pipe collar passing very near and directly by the stoker mechanism there can be issues.
The squirrel cage fan wheel, up under, were sometimes made of plastic, which when everything worked fine is never an issue. But alas, if the fan were to stall or even if it didn't stall but the exhaust were very hot and fan stopped from any reason, that plastic wheel will melt and become deformed.
Stove would perform poorly overall but definitely would not be pushing normal air through grates or warming up the chimney for an increased draft...hmmm, maybe some CO gets by gaskets.
By all means fix the gasket...but something else is wrong here.
By locking in the CO positive pressure with tight gaskets is not a total fix.
Got to get it slightly negative inside the stove fire box.
A nice warm chimney and a manometer can show that this is happening or not.
Last edited by McGiever on Fri. Oct. 24, 2014 8:55 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Is this going through a fireplace?billyackiel wrote:hey guys just installed a Alaska channing 3 with the bottom rear vent, after about 3 hrs my carbon monoxide alarm goes off, thought my chimney pipe insert was to low so added another foot to raise it above the actual chimney and seal around it better incase it was leaking around the pipe, not sure if that can happen, also replaced lower door seal, going to replace upper door seal today, any other ideas? do I need a barometric damper?
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Then since this 6" stove pipe dumps into a (guessing )12 X 12 chimney, the big question is...How tall is the chimney? Best be ~20+ feet (more is better) or there will be poor draft.
Insulated liner will likely be suggested by the tech on Saturday to get the draft numbers up.
Insulated liner will likely be suggested by the tech on Saturday to get the draft numbers up.
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well it is going into a chimney that is about 14 feet, I have a 6" ss liner in it with insulation around it. the tech had me set this up with the 45s and barometric damper, he will be there tomorrow morning to check the draft. and the combostion fan looks great, and the stove runs fine perfect fire and all.
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befor that I had the chimney pipe going straight to a 90 and up, he said that the straight run was to long
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yea, im renting this house and the landlord said he had the coal stove I could use so everything is a new except the stove witch is basicly new now since I have replaced all gaskets and the glass, only thing that bothers me now its the convection fans are loud, other then the co alarm that is, im going to fire it up in the morning before tech gets there hopefully all goes well
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Sounding better all the time.billyackiel wrote:well it is going into a chimney that is about 14 feet, I have a 6" ss liner in it with insulation around it. the tech had me set this up with the 45s and barometric damper, he will be there tomorrow morning to check the draft. and the combostion fan looks great, and the stove runs fine perfect fire and all.
Is the insulated liner going all the way to the top and out of 14' chimney?
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Yea 6" out the top
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well problems are all fixed and stove works great, thanks for all the help everyone.