Another Mass Crane 88

 
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Post by jubileejerry » Sat. Nov. 08, 2014 8:05 am

This is a good thread, thanks for writing such a detailed piece! I'm sure this kind of information will help me a lot when I get ready to start mine. Is that coal in the bucket what everyone is calling nut? Since we don't have coal around here, I don't know what the different sizes look like. I'd like to see a picture sometime of the different sizes placed together so I could learn to identify them. I have a bucket of coal my uncle in Pennsylvania gave my dad years ago, but I don't know what size it is. It looks a lot like what's in your bucket. Thanks again, Jerry


 
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Post by ONEDOLLAR » Sat. Nov. 08, 2014 8:34 am

Jerry

You might try and be able to locate some coal in one of the two Amish communities in Nebraska. I have read of a few members here on NEPA who buy their coal from the Amish. Granted they are located for the most part East of the Mississippi but perhpas it will help. I understand Amish are found in two locations in Nebraska: near the towns of Ewing and Orchard in Antelope County, and near Pawnee City in Pawnee County.

 
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Post by KingCoal918 » Sat. Nov. 08, 2014 9:29 am

Hi Jerry,

yep, the coal in the scuttle is "nut" size. generally speaking, it's about the size of a walnut to a golfball.

the other two most common sizes are "rice," and "pea." Less common now days "stove," "egg," and "broken" which are larger than nut, and can be the size of a cigarette pack to a brick.

Here's a chart that enumerates sizes.

https://coalpail.com/coal-heating-encyclopedia/an ... -hard-coal

and a chart with pics

http://www.fowlerscoal.com/Products-and-Services.html

Michael

 
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Post by jubileejerry » Sat. Nov. 08, 2014 9:51 am

Ok, thanks for the information! I have a place to go now for coal in Ames, Ia. It's not far from here.

 
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Post by KingCoal918 » Mon. Dec. 22, 2014 9:54 am

new piping, baro damper, and manometer.

pretty cool to be able to keep an eye on the flue vacuum and see the baro damper respond to wind gusts.
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shop door open burning off the stove polish

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mano (in reverse) pulling -.35

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brake line > Dwyer nipple > rubber tube > mano

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long view

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the rig

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baro worked into a clean-out T

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Post by michaelanthony » Mon. Dec. 22, 2014 10:27 am

Very nice set up KC918, you should see nice even, extended burns. Having the Blue Hills of Milton behind you and the Atlantic ocean fairly close the baro will pay for itself in a short time. Some people feel the warm air going up the baro is a waste but I feel you save much more having a regulated draft in a windy environment.

 
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Post by JimD » Mon. Dec. 22, 2014 10:45 am

I broke my damn shaker again!! Welded it and broke it again. Anyone make or figure out a better way yet ???


 
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Post by KingCoal918 » Mon. Dec. 22, 2014 11:28 am

thanks Michael.

I found at the end of last season I could damper it back at the ash clean out to about a 1/2 turn open and have it idle over night and come out to a 60° shop. That 88 has a BIG pot. But I was still burning around 30# a day starting Nov 22nd last year and ending in early March.

I got more insulation in the shop both in the loft rafters, and now in the ceiling joists, so I'm hoping between the baro regulating flue draw, and the insulation I can cut my use by . . . x. I think I burned close to a ton and a half in a 320 square foot (floor) space. That's a lot. I have around a ton self-bagged on a pallet in the driveway now. would love to get away with that for the winter. It's a dirty job, it's free, but the basement it's in has friable asbestos hanging from the pipes. Even though I'm wearing a NIOSH lead/ asbestos mask, it's ugly. I get home, strip and throw my clothes in the wash.

It's been so mild, I didn't fire up until Saturday 12/20 this year. 57° forecast for Christmas eve, and day, then next week back in the 30s.

 
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Post by KingCoal918 » Mon. Dec. 22, 2014 11:29 am

JimD, not sure what you're doing, but it sounds like you need to invest in a new grate.

Or stop eating GrapeNuts AND Wheaties for breakfast.

 
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Post by JimD » Mon. Dec. 22, 2014 11:38 am

Yes I have been thinking that possibly too many nuggets are getting caught between the grate and the firebox maybe I need that ring which I don't think I have also trying to see if I can locate some partsI have a PM into Mr.crane to see if he has anything. Otherwise what's another source for parts for it?

 
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Post by KingCoal918 » Mon. Dec. 22, 2014 12:10 pm

the grate sounds like it's got some issues. Do you know if it's the one that came with the stove or is it an after market? I'd have to think the liner would grind away before the grate would break. At least that's what I've found.

I had a look down into the pot on Saturday before I fired up, and my liner has gone to hell at the grate. I'm going to need to chip it out and re-cast it in advance of next winter. Last year I tried "mudding it up" at the bottom with stove cement, but that's sodium silicate and the fierce temps in the pot made it melt, sag, and eventually chip out on shake-downs.

I'd love to try the stainless ring, either from someone getting rid of one, or by having one fabricated. Doug mentioned them warping because they were made of too-thin stainless so having one made might be a better plan. If I had any money. . .

If you get in touch with DC let him know I'd be interested in trying a ring as well. Walnuts will pass between my liner and grate at this point.

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Post by JimD » Mon. Dec. 22, 2014 12:33 pm

Those walnuts get stuck easily and put undo pressure while shaking down.

 
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Post by KingCoal918 » Mon. Dec. 22, 2014 12:41 pm

you must get some crazy clinkers, or you're shaking down too often?

I think that's what my problem was. being too frequent about shaking down.
I'm leaving more ash in and just topping off, at least for now.

 
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Post by coalvet » Mon. Dec. 22, 2014 12:45 pm

The stainless band that came with the stove when new didn't last very long anyway. A new replacement won't either. With the lower part of your liner already worn away the band wouldn't help much. Plan on fixing the liner to solve the coal jamming problem.

 
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Post by KingCoal918 » Mon. Dec. 22, 2014 2:54 pm

thanks for the wisdom Coalvet.


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