EPA Announcement - EPA Banning Outdoor Wood Furnaces

The moral of this story is get your stove(s) now, as the window is closing.

It's all part of Agenda 21. It's not some conspiracy theory, they are implementing it right in front of your face. Smart meters are able to link to your new ("smart") appliances, and your thermostat. No big deal you say? Well, say there is a long spell of hot weather and demand for power is really high. Guess what they will remotely limit your power and control the temperature settings on your AC and refrigerator, etc.
These things are already being implemented in California.

I might have to light my Fisher wood burner today, even though it's around 70 outside.

Just because I can!

Everywhere..

http://citizen.co.za/363874/smart-meter-control/

McGiever wrote:

oilman wrote:They are not banning anything...........they all have to be Emission certified, that's all. This has been law in New York for 3 years.

You obiviously missed what was told in the video.
Mfg'rs are NOT building any more of those units you are referring to...period.

Newly built units after cutoff date will be redesigned and sold as commercial units only and be much more costly due to build design changes to meet the new emmission compliance.

I think oilman is referring to the point that the manufacturers cannot produce/distribute NON EPA APPROVED stoves after May1. You can still buy new residential wood burning stoves after those dates but they must meet EPA emissions standards.

Disclaimer: I haven't looked into this so I don't know if the guy in the video is correct with everything he said.

people betterstart standing up and really start saying and doing something this is really spinning out of control and people r sick of it we do have rites !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rockwood , the guy in the video is correct,OWB's will not be allowed for sale for residential use unless it is a gassifier unit.

About 3 years ago NYS instated some regulations about outdoor wood boilers. Basically all new outdoor wood boilers had to meet a different emission standard. The older units which are basically a round firebox surrounded by water can not meet this standard. If you would like to read more about the regulations in NYS and how they came about http://www4.uwm.edu/shwec/publications/cabinet/p2 ... tRev08.pdf

I am NOT in support of increased govt. regulation, but in this case I think people's own ignorance is what brought these rules into play. Perhaps if thousands of people did not install these dam things in residential areas and smoke out their neighborhoods, we would not be talking about this. It opened the door for the EPA to do something about it, and naturally they are taking it farther than just addressing the "smoke dragon" wood boilers.

Anthracite has much lower emissions than the levels they are proposing, and it is a tiny market...hopefully they leave it alone.

We often are our own worst enemy. Even with normal usage &dry wood ,an OWB can smoke pretty much,but when using garbage,pampers,roofing shingles,tires & other junk the smoke level can go bonkers. Because of the lack of common sense,the thoughtless ones messed it up for everyone.I don't see coal burning becoming an issue,unless there are enough folks who decide to burn bit coal in residential areas smoking out their neighbors & causing the wrath to send EPA after "coal burners". Government usually doesn't go after the specific target but generally uses the scatter gun approach to hit a generalized target. We all need to be considerate of those living close to us & do our best to minimize any friction causing issues.Don't vent a coal burner into the narrow space between 2 close houses, 1 example of many things that can become an issue. Folks who smoke tend to be clueless as to how much that smoke can affect others,folks who listen to loud ,LOUD bass,ground pounding bass music have no concept of how that boom,boom can affect a person with inner ear issues. If we all simple take the time to try & minimize the effect our actions will have on others,things won't become NATIONAL issues needing regulated.

windyhill4.2 wrote:but when using garbage,pampers,roofing shingles,tires & other junk the smoke level can go bonkers.

Experience?

Mine would smoke like a train just from putting really dry wood in it. I mean dimensional lumber that was kiln dried. It couldn't get enough air for proper combustion so it would chug chug chug. I stopped traffic with it one day it was so thick blowing across the road. I thought it was going to blow up. And I live in the boonies I couldn't imagine that in a residential situation.

Shortly after setting up our OWB,we threw an old wooden table top in it, lucky for us the wind blew that awful, horrific smoke out across the fields instead of towards any other houses in the neighborhood ,we were much more cautious about what we put in after that heart stopping smoke show.

Rob R. wrote:About 3 years ago NYS instated some regulations about outdoor wood boilers. Basically all new outdoor wood boilers had to meet a different emission standard. The older units which are basically a round firebox surrounded by water can not meet this standard. If you would like to read more about the regulations in NYS and how they came about http://www4.uwm.edu/shwec/publications/cabinet/p2 ... tRev08.pdf

I am NOT in support of increased govt. regulation, but in this case I think people's own ignorance is what brought these rules into play. Perhaps if thousands of people did not install these dam things in residential areas and smoke out their neighborhoods, we would not be talking about this. It opened the door for the EPA to do something about it, and naturally they are taking it farther than just addressing the "smoke dragon" wood boilers.

Anthracite has much lower emissions than the levels they are proposing, and it is a tiny market...hopefully they leave it alone.

Rob is right on here. If you have experienced these things running 365 days a year and totally fogging out entire neighborhoods, you can understand the kick back against them. I've driven thru small hamlets late at night in the summer where someone was running one for HW and the smoke was so bad you couldn't see. How would you like to live there?

As far as the ban goes, the NON EPA OWB's will be commercial only, and certified units will be OK for residential.

Two years ago Chester NY banned them so it really does not matter what the EPA does you can't get a permit for one.

We have had emission's rules down this way for almost 20 years.....all it did was make new certified burners double in price compared to the old ones and stop totally the sales of coal stoves....didn't do stuff-all to improve air quality because the main reason that fires here smoke so bad is people burning wood thats only partly dried.....and we only have bit coal and that smokes pretty bad in anything but a stoker.....and I have the only 'in operation' stoker stove that I have heard of in the country

Now we have areas that you cannot install a new solid fuel stove at all....and in one city they banned the use of any solid fuel for residential heating.....and they go around with a thermal imag checking to make sure the chimneys are cold.....

it all comes down to tax....the central thieves committee gets a bigger cut out of gas, diesel and electric.....lol most of the time they don't get anything from firewood especially when someone cuts their own.....coal is similar...only 15% tax plus a couple of bucks a ton "Carbon Tax"

follow what gets the govt the most tax revenue....its gives you the marvellous ability to predict the future

They've been banned by many villages around here long before NYS started clamping down. And certified, or not, they won't allow any type of OWB within the village limits.

Paul