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- hotblast1357
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It has the original insulation on it for now, I'm gonna see how it performs and go from there.
Thanks, I figured I might as well try to do it right, this way I can adjust each zone accordingly.
Thanks, I figured I might as well try to do it right, this way I can adjust each zone accordingly.
- hotblast1357
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The modine is in.
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Very nice !!! Keep us posted, it looks like you will be done long before I get up there.
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- hotblast1357
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Lol it might be! I waitin for the heat exchanger now and pex clamps.
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Do you have a way to get the air rapidly purged out there for fill up/start up? I'm guessing that's your highest point in the system and that zone.
- hotblast1357
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Yes it is my highest point, I am putting a vent on top of the modine, and a boiler drain on the bottom for easy removal, should it be a boiler drain on top instead of a vent?
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Since it's not likely you will be draining and filling the boiler very often, put a valve between the T and the vent. Don't install the vent until the system is filled. You can then use the valve to quikly purge air out of the system while filling. Shut the valve when full, install the vent, open the valve and turn the pumps on. Then the vents will take care of the rest of the air.
Looks like it might be a little tight up on top of that T ?
This will also make it very easy to replace that vent. And, yes, the vents do need to be replaced every few years.
-Don
Looks like it might be a little tight up on top of that T ?
This will also make it very easy to replace that vent. And, yes, the vents do need to be replaced every few years.
-Don
- hotblast1357
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Yes it will be tight, it had to be that way.. A 1/8" shut off valve will bleed quicker than the vent? Can't I use the drain on the bottom to get most of the air out? Then it will just be the heat exchanger left to bleed.
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It's been my experiance that it's pretty tough to bleed air out of the bottom of anything. If you are that tight for space, you could put a 90*, close nipple, T, vent on top. On the other side of the T, close nipple, valve then for convineance a brass hose fitting. When filling the system, attach a garden hose, run it outside, turn the boiler fill ON. When all the air stops burping out of the hose, shut the valve and turn on the pumps.
Remember, the air vents will only remove air IF the pumps are actualy pumping water, pumps will NOT pump air. If to much air is in the system, the pumps will just sit there and cavitate. It is VERY difficult to get a closed system like this going if you can't get 99% of the air out at fill up.
If you realy don't have any room up there, the cheap and dirty way to go is, just leave the vent out untill you fill the system. That will be a bit messy but it should work.
-Don
Remember, the air vents will only remove air IF the pumps are actualy pumping water, pumps will NOT pump air. If to much air is in the system, the pumps will just sit there and cavitate. It is VERY difficult to get a closed system like this going if you can't get 99% of the air out at fill up.
If you realy don't have any room up there, the cheap and dirty way to go is, just leave the vent out untill you fill the system. That will be a bit messy but it should work.
-Don
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I will make it work, thanks for the tip.
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Don had such a good write up I bowed out earlier with an idea. Here it is anyway, add a second tee on top of the one you have now on top of the Modine. Put the vent on top of this second tee after a 1/8" valve and add a boiler drain out the side of that tee.
- hotblast1357
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I switched my 1" T so now I will come out the front with a 1/2" nipple, T, then one side a boiler drain, and the other a 90 degree bend up with a vent.
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The modine is almost all set, I just have to get a 1/2"-1/8" bushing and a vent for it now.
Here is where my auto fill valve will go and my expansion tank.
Here is where my auto fill valve will go and my expansion tank.
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- StokerDon
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Ha Ha! Excellent!. You did get a garden hose connection up there. You won't regret it!
-Don
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I'm sure I won't, for the extra 5 dollars it's worth it.