New Manufacture of Antique Stoves

scalabro · Post by **scalabro** » Sat. Jan. 21, 2017 1:03 pm

tcalo wrote:Chubby Stoves have mica windows and are UL listed I believe.

Perhaps the small size of the chubby window had something to due with that? I have seen chubbies with the wire mesh installed behind the mica like some Crane stoves had.

This thread is discussing getting an "as manufactured" antique through a UL or other certifying laboratory inspection and certification.

gardener · Post by **gardener** » Tue. Dec. 19, 2017 10:14 am

Perhaps I missed it... so UL certification is not a requirement to sell a newly manufactured antique style stove/insert, but insurance companies won't cover a non-UL approved heating appliance in a home?

scalabro · Post by **scalabro** » Tue. Dec. 19, 2017 11:31 am

I’m not sure it’s legally required to sell a new stove without it, but who would buy it? There would be a huge liability on the mfg.....

A “new” antique would be vastly different in construction, materials etc etc.

Buy an antique and be done with it.

gardener · Post by **gardener** » Tue. Dec. 19, 2017 12:16 pm

How does UL approval protect a manufacturer?

Sunny Boy · Post by **Sunny Boy** » Tue. Dec. 19, 2017 12:30 pm

I wonder how Vermont Castings stoves passed UL standards with cast iron legs ?

Paul

coalnewbie · Post by **coalnewbie** » Tue. Dec. 19, 2017 1:28 pm

and why would we expect a UL tester would chit from shinola about coal stoves. Reminds me of Consumer Reports who are supposed experts at everything.

Sunny Boy · Post by **Sunny Boy** » Tue. Dec. 19, 2017 1:43 pm

coalnewbie wrote: ↑
Tue. Dec. 19, 2017 1:28 pm
and why would we expect a UL tester would chit from shinola about coal stoves. Reminds me of Consumer Reports who are supposed experts at everything.

Yeah, it's not like they hang out on a coal forum where they can learn what's what.

I ran out of Worcestershire sauce, hopefully, the pea soup doesn't taste like "chit".

Paul

scalabro · Post by **scalabro** » Tue. Dec. 19, 2017 4:31 pm

gardener wrote: ↑
Tue. Dec. 19, 2017 12:16 pm
How does UL approval protect a manufacturer?

Well, IDK but it must they do it so there must be a reason. Why don’t you research it and find out for us?

gardener · Post by **gardener** » Tue. Dec. 19, 2017 4:53 pm

Just scanning UL's website, I don't think it protects the manufacturer. It looks like all they offer is safety certifications. It would be useful to a manufacturer if they were sued, but only if the claim is against some aspect that was tested by the certification. A manufacturer could still be sued with a claim against some failure of the product that passed a certification test, but a manufacturer would likely then make the argument their product was misused or used in a way that it was not designed.

gardener · Post by **gardener** » Tue. Dec. 19, 2017 4:57 pm

Keep in mind I have no experience in the marketing/manufacturing/stove industry... I suspect UL certification isn't necessary. It probably is desireable for manufacturers if they are selling to commercial whom require certifications. On the residential side, the fear is probably more with user's home owner insurance companies blaming the product and the insurance initiating a lawsuit.

gardener · Post by **gardener** » Wed. Dec. 20, 2017 7:57 am

Did some further reading on UL markings, there are different classifications, so I will need to find which is for furnaces. Some markings simply mean that the manufacturer follows a procedure to mitigate potentially unsafe aspects of their product.

A thought that came to my mind was that maybe the business' insurance requires the products they sell have a UL certification.
Since Chubby Stoves are mentioned in this thread (for cast iron legs and UL approval), I am going to email Larry ask him whether that is the case and if so why they needed UL certification.

KingCoal · Post by **KingCoal** » Wed. Dec. 20, 2017 8:02 am

google U.L. themselves look up who they actually are and when and how they got started.

you won't be impressed

freetown fred · Post by **freetown fred** » Wed. Dec. 20, 2017 8:33 am

Where the hell are McBeth 0r Stockingful when we need them???????????????/

gardener wrote: ↑
Tue. Dec. 19, 2017 4:53 pm
Just scanning UL's website, I don't think it protects the manufacturer. It looks like all they offer is safety certifications. It would be useful to a manufacturer if they were sued, but only if the claim is against some aspect that was tested by the certification. A manufacturer could still be sued with a claim against some failure of the product that passed a certification test, but a manufacturer would likely then make the argument their product was misused or used in a way that it was not designed.

KingCoal · Post by **KingCoal** » Wed. Dec. 20, 2017 9:07 am

AWKK thanks Fred my keyboard was needing a coffee shower

gardener · Post by **gardener** » Wed. Dec. 20, 2017 9:30 am

Followed up on UL 1482, looks like it got a lot of discussion by the wood heating industry, and insurance concern with creosote. Found at https://standardscatalog.ul.com/standards/en/standard_1482_7, there is a subsection for testing coal burning appliances. Wonder if there if it is available for viewing elsewhere, but that looks like an updated and recent publication, so may not find it.

Found a short thread titled UL 1482: Room Heaters, Solid-Fuel Type on here, going to read that and the link to the history of the UL standards before finishing compiling my short question to Larry.

New Manufacture of Antique Stoves

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